What is wrong with some foreigners?

[Broohaha]

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

you obviously know nothing of the situation on the ground. yeah, i'm sure SK would prosper with ties to the totalitarian regimes in China and Russia, before the collapse of communism. if you had watched 60 minutes two weeks ago, you would have seen a good expose of the human rights abuses in NK. to educate yourself a little, look here: amnesty international

Uhh okay. And what does this have to do w/ my argument regarding South Korean opinion on the US? Again, I have made absolutely no argument on current siutation w/ N. Korea and what should be done. I don't know whats happening on the ground? I've visited the DMZ. I've been to South Korea. I was there when 9/11 happened. I have friends and family there. I probably have better personal knowledge on whats going on and how South Koreans feel than your knowledge from 60 minutes. And whats up w/ all the personal attacks? I'm ignorant and stupid because I don't agree w/ you people?

I have made no comment regarding you but rather your argument.

1. i, personally, never attacked you personally. i'm sorry if you took my words otherwise.
2. i said you know nothing of the situation on the ground in North Korea. You said something along the lines of "I bet nobody really knows." But that's not the case; NK is one of the most brutal and totalitarian regimes in the world. I provided the AI link as proof. Also, there was one nugget on 60 minutes two weeks ago that still sticks in my mind: It's estimated that a full 10% of NK's 22 million people (mostly political dissidents) are locked in prison/slave labor camps and that tens of thousands of them die each year.

10%.

Now imagine if NK's regime were allowed to annex SK.

3. As for South Korean opinion, I never said I had an answer about that. I just suggested, i think two posts ago, that south koreans should not look a gift horse in the mouth.

sorry for any misunderstandings.

 

[Poontos]

Originally posted by: dcpsoguy

Originally posted by: Poontos
You are in your country, and therefore influenced by all the "facts" that the media propagates. See where I am going?

If not:

They are in their country, and therefore they are influenced by all the "facts" that their respective media/news/etc. propagates.

We don't even realize what goes on in other countries, let alone our own.

I do not, nor does anybody else say, Chirac is a dictator, yet some people in France seem to think Bush is a terrorist. Care to explain?

Unless you live in a totally different country - preferrably the majority of your life - it will be difficult for you to understand, as with many others.

I would say 98% of your views, opinions, are based on information that originates from your (the U.S.A) country. This is obviously very common, and typically the norm. Who's to say that all the information that you have gleaned is fact? CNN and other major news networks do not present a mirror image of what is really happening. Life goes on.

 

[IGBT]

Appeasment is the path of least resistance. Despots take full advantage of this ie.Iraq and North Korea.

 

[MinorityReport]

Originally posted by: dcpsoguy
I was watching 60 Minutes last night, and four South Koreans said they think G.W Bush is more of a threat than the North Korean dictator. I mean, what is their thought process there? Are they that insanely stupid? Bush has not slaughtered his own people.

Ask this question in a South Korean forum or similar online communitites.

I am sure they will give you rigth answers .. and enlighten your qwest for knowledge.

Everybody has an opinion and those South Koreans are entitled to theirs.

You can't live with it then stop watching TV and reading news online.

 

[MinorityReport]

Originally posted by: Poontos

Originally posted by: dcpsoguy

Originally posted by: Poontos
You are in your country, and therefore influenced by all the "facts" that the media propagates. See where I am going?

If not:

They are in their country, and therefore they are influenced by all the "facts" that their respective media/news/etc. propagates.

We don't even realize what goes on in other countries, let alone our own.

I do not, nor does anybody else say, Chirac is a dictator, yet some people in France seem to think Bush is a terrorist. Care to explain?

Unless you live in a totally different country - preferrably the majority of your life - it will be difficult for you to understand, as with many others.

I would say 98% of your views, opinions, are based on information that originates from your (the U.S.A) country. This is obviously very common, and typically the norm. Who's to say that all the information that you have gleaned is fact? CNN and other major news networks do not present a mirror image of what is really happening. Life goes on.

CNN and US mainstream media are careful organized liars like Iraqi natinal TV or Gaddafi's Libyan Arab Jumhoriya TV.

They do it in style and most americans take them as God's holy words. But you cannot blame them either. CNN and US mainstream media show what peopel like to hear. And people want to hear and see made up truths and facts that make them feel better.

So this viscious cycle continues .. and the only harm it brings is to the gullible sections of the American public..they get their vision narrowed to a small 4'by 4' box.

 

[Dacalo]

Originally posted by: dcpsoguy

Originally posted by: Gr1mL0cK

Originally posted by: dcpsoguy

Originally posted by: Broohaha

Originally posted by: dcpsoguy

Originally posted by: Broohaha Yeah that really outraged me too. We should evacuate South Korea and watch those SOBs get taken over by Kim Jong Il and get shipped off to slave labor camps and endure torture and other human rights abuses. Then they'll see who's more dangerous to their interests. Those mother effers.

Yes, we have OUR troops stationed right at the border of the two Koreas to save THEM, and this is what we get. If you saw the interview, one of the soldiers started sobbing about this. I feel his pain, I really do.

same here. that was real tough to take. and he wasnt just a soldier. he was the leader of all military operations in southeast asia.

Ah, I didn't catch the caption.

Yeah the US REALLY cares about South Korea. I mean they originally didn't give a sh1t about the place and was leaving it for Japan to annex. And then the only reason they intervene is to fight the threat of communism. And then after such a bloody war, it ends in a stalemate and left the country divided in half still.

You think the US is really there in South Korea simply to "protect" them? I'm a bit irritated by the ungratefulness, but I do see valid reasons on why most Koreans are more fearful of Bush causing a ruckus, than North Koreans... who despite everything, are still flesh and blood related for many.

The South Koreans have dealt w/ North Korea for ages personally. And here comes Bush labeling it as an "axis of evil" and all peace talks and hopes of reunification goes to hell.

I find your thought process very intriguing, and ignorant. The threat of attack by dictatorship-led North Korea to democratic South Korea is over.. If it wasn't for the US, it would be a communist Korea. How can they turn their backs on us? The point of the fact is North Korea is a part of the axis of evil, they are violating treaties, and blantly ignoring our pleas, and world pleas to STOP producing nuclear weapons. What are they, the Axis of Good and Everything Well? Please. There is more of a chance of unification if we go into Pyongyang and take them over than simple diplomacy and peace. You can NOT break down a dictator led country by diplomacy. Look at Hitler, did appeasement work? No.

If the super powers back then, the US and USSR didnt make their little cold war games on Korea, it wouldnt have even been divided in the first place.

Besides, the US loves the divided Korea because the country sells so much weapons to SK.

 

[Poontos]

Originally posted by: MinorityReport

Originally posted by: Poontos

Originally posted by: dcpsoguy

Originally posted by: Poontos
You are in your country, and therefore influenced by all the "facts" that the media propagates. See where I am going?

If not:

They are in their country, and therefore they are influenced by all the "facts" that their respective media/news/etc. propagates.

We don't even realize what goes on in other countries, let alone our own.

I do not, nor does anybody else say, Chirac is a dictator, yet some people in France seem to think Bush is a terrorist. Care to explain?

Unless you live in a totally different country - preferrably the majority of your life - it will be difficult for you to understand, as with many others.

I would say 98% of your views, opinions, are based on information that originates from your (the U.S.A) country. This is obviously very common, and typically the norm. Who's to say that all the information that you have gleaned is fact? CNN and other major news networks do not present a mirror image of what is really happening. Life goes on.

CNN and US mainstream media are careful organized liars like Iraqi natinal TV or Gaddafi's Libyan Arab Jumhoriya TV.

They do it in style and most americans take them as God's holy words. But you cannot blame them either. CNN and US mainstream media show what peopel like to hear. And people want to hear and see made up truths and facts that make them feel better.

So this viscious cycle continues .. and the only harm it brings is to the gullible sections of the American public..they get their vision narrowed to a small 4'by 4' box.

Exactly.

 

[Bluga]

Yeah the US REALLY cares about South Korea. I mean they originally didn't give a sh1t about the place and was leaving it for Japan to annex. And then the only reason they intervene is to fight the threat of communism. And then after such a bloody war, it ends in a stalemate and left the country divided in half still.

You think the US is really there in South Korea simply to "protect" them? I'm a bit irritated by the ungratefulness, but I do see valid reasons on why most Koreans are more fearful of Bush causing a ruckus, than North Koreans... who despite everything, are still flesh and blood related for many. For every Korean that despises the US, I'm sure there are much more that are supportive.

The South Koreans have dealt w/ North Korea for ages personally. And here comes Bush labeling it as an "axis of evil" and all peace talks and hopes of reunification goes to hell.

Have you ever been to South Korea? Do you know how life is like over there? Do you know truly what most South Koreans think? Or do you only believe the sh1t that the US Media is giving you? You ahve an external viewpoint, just as foreigners do of the US.

Well said.

 

[Bluga]

So why doesn't USA label China as axis of evil?

Because it can't, it can only pick on little guys like NK.

 

[Bluga]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
All I can say is that the opinion of somebody living in a censored society with a poor education is all but meaningless to me (kind of like asking somebody in solitary confinement about world events). I know that SKs are not in the same horrendous conditions as those in NK though.

What you said revealed your lack of brain activity.

 

[GrimReepr]

I would agree.... Bush is a complete moron who is plainly stuck on one thing... war. It seemed when the space shuttle blew up it was only getting in the way of him kicking someone's a$$, whoever it may be.

America needs to pull away the curtain and see whats going on behind closed doors. Korea is building nuclear technology to power their poor country. The US has persuaded the companies that supply Korea with oil to cut them off, so they must seek other means. If they do develop nuclear weapons, who cares? Many countries have them so who are we to tell them that they can't. Everyone has the right to defend themselves. It is bad yes if they decide they want to launch them against us, but right now they can only hit as far as Japan.

I hate to tell the world, but if the US decides to preemptively (spelling?) invade or strike korea, this is going to be very bad. Korea is either gonna attack south korea or attack japan or both. Since they can't really do anything directly to us, they will pick on Japan cuz they are our allie.

I can't wait for Bush to get out of office, and I hope he isn't reelected. He is as worthless as his father. And by the way, along the line of slaughtering, you people need to remember that Bush, Sr. was deeply involved in a campaign that cost the lives of many Iraqis. He persuaded the two groups in the north and south Iraq to charge in and eliminate Sadham. Before they got there, he changed his mind and let the Iraqi military through to crush the rebellion, and pretty much he was responsible for the slaughtering of thousands of people. Way to go George Sr.......

 

[Broohaha]

I see the "blame America first" crowd has come out in full force...

 

[dcpsoguy]

Originally posted by: Broohaha
I see the "blame America first" crowd has come out in full force...

Yeah, the I hate America and they are the worlds greatest enemy crowd is sure in full force today. God bless their ignorance.

 

[StageLeft]

What you said revealed your lack of brain activity.

Pray tell your superior opinion on the matter. I actually don't know the level of education or censorship in SK. I did say it's less than NK (censorship I mean, and probably higher education); that's about all I know, so my post wasn't really directed at south koreans since I know nothing of them.

My opinion stands, and is perfectly valid, for those in NK. Their opinions on world matters is meaningless since by definition they know little/nothing about the world other than what's been fed to them by their dictatorial and oppressive government.

 

[slycat]

GW bush is scared of Kim...

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: dcpsoguy
I was watching 60 Minutes last night, and four South Koreans said they think G.W Bush is more of a threat than the North Korean dictator. I mean, what is their thought process there? Are they that insanely stupid? Bush has not slaughtered his own people.

yeah, damn foreigners (americans)

 

[exp]

four South Koreans said they think G.W Bush is more of a threat than the North Korean dictator.

Excellent. If anti-American sentiment continues to increase then perhaps the U.S. forces there will be asked to leave. That would allow the government to bring our troops home where they belong without looking like it is abandoning SK.

Perhaps the Bush admin. can hasten this process by staging more incidents involving American troops and S. Korean civilians. Nothing lethal of course, but maybe minor offenses like theft or assault. With the way S. Koreans are demonizing the U.S. presence mild offenses like that could be enough to bring the situation to a head.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: slycat
GW bush is scared of Kim...

You should write for the North Korean Times

 

[n0cmonkey]

Nationalistic fervor (the non-PC way to say blind patriotism) is a dangerous thing.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: dcpsoguy
I was watching 60 Minutes last night, and four South Koreans said they think G.W Bush is more of a threat than the North Korean dictator. I mean, what is their thought process there? Are they that insanely stupid? Bush has not slaughtered his own people.

N and S Korea had been growing closer together before Bush came to power, now, due to the Bush Admins lack of interest and downright hostility towards the North, the North is threatening all out war! The South has every right to be pissed at the US.