I think the same can be said of evolution. There is virtually no fossil record of human transformation and what does exist is criticized by many of the scientists who claim to be evolutionists. Five scientists look at the same skull and come up with five different conclusions. Macro evolution is a theory as of now and should be treated as such. This is by no means an endorsement of creationism.
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DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
<--- believes in evolution all the way...
For the IDers. Do you believe that God knows the future? If so, then free-will is just an illusion; everything is predetermined.
Hmmmm, now how again is God guiding things to a future state?
(Yes, this is a weak argument, merely because I don't have time to go into more detail.)
For the IDers. Do you believe that God knows the future? If so, then free-will is just an illusion; everything is predetermined.
Hmmmm, now how again is God guiding things to a future state?
(Yes, this is a weak argument, merely because I don't have time to go into more detail.)
PowerEngineer
Diamond Member
Yes, that's true. For reasons that are now hard to believe, some engineers theorized that it might be impossible to build a supersonic airplane (even though the German's V2 rocket was clearly supersonic!). The fact that the X-1 successfully broke the speed of sound clearly demonstrated that their theory was wrong. New facts routinely require the abandonment or revision of scientific theories.
Bear in mind that science focuses on the theory that does the best job of explaining the facts we have. That isn't the same as proving that all other theories are wrong. It is always possible that new facts can make a different theory the "best". As mentioned before, Newton's "laws" had to modified by Einstein to fit newly discovered facts about light. This is why you can not expect science to prove that a theory is wrong. It only gives us a way of thinking that helps us conclude that a particular theory is not the "best".
And that's exactly the problem with your position! You are asking that someone prove that there is no "intelligent designer" (i.e. no "god"). No one can do that. All that can be done is to point out that the addition of an "intelligent designer" does nothing to make evolution's explanation of the facts (we currently know) any better.
Evolution (with or without an "intelligent designer") neither proves or disproves that there is a god. Scientific theories say nothing about "why" the world works the way it does; they only describe how the world works. Any explanation of "why" makes the theory unscientific.
Vic
Elite Member
Please... theological fatalism is THE weakest argument against faith. Knowledge and power are separate.
Plus, I have a hint for you. ID and evolution are not opposed. Isn't that amazing? This whole sham is a ruse for a political power battle in the schools, and not religious nor scientific. One group wants to teach evolution with divine intervention, while the other wants to teach evolution with abiogenesis. That's all. When the only real scientific answer is "we don't know." Wow...
thecoolnessrune
Diamond Member
The problem of evolution: It's completely based on circular reasoning without any concrete proof. Creationism (my belief) tells us that God made everything "Ex Nihilo" (Out of nothing). Evolution can't say that however because Evolution believes that only tangible things can exist. So the whole thought of "There was nothing, then it exploded" doesn't even make sense in evolution. I believe that God is here, was here, and will always be here, and he created everything. We just can't understand where God came from because our brains are far too simple to comprehend things in terms of "always has". The human brain is used to things that die. Everything has a beginning, and everything has an end, which is why we will never be able to truly understand Gods ways.
By that logic, then Physics and Chemistry are worthless, since we cannot describe where energy, matter, and atoms came from. If evolution is going to be discussed, discuss evolution. If we need to describe where everything came from, then science is completely worthless, since it has yet to tease apart those aspects.
Therefore, don't argue about where the universe came from when arguing evolution, unless you are suggesting all of science is worthless.
FrustratedUser
Lifer
Why is it that ID supporters are so commom in the US and so very rare in the rest of the world?
CKent
Diamond Member
I'm not concerned with the scientific community's (past or present) thoughts on it, and I assure you I'm quite openminded. I'll pose a question to you which someone else dodged earlier today: Do you dismiss the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Please stop dodging the topic at hand.
JulesMaximus
No Lifer
I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster theory of evolution. I have been touched by his noodly appendages.
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
I posted this link in a few other threads...
It's worth a read for just about anyone interested in the "debate" between the two sides. (Debate in the same sense that the discussion about .999... = 1 is a debate. One side is correct, the other side won't let go of their feelings and intuition. (it equals 1))
Utah's position statement on evolution
One of the best written documents I've seen.
It's worth a read for just about anyone interested in the "debate" between the two sides. (Debate in the same sense that the discussion about .999... = 1 is a debate. One side is correct, the other side won't let go of their feelings and intuition. (it equals 1))
Utah's position statement on evolution
One of the best written documents I've seen.
imported_griffis
Senior member
Simply enough, I believe that ones who believe in the "Almighty" are merely setting themselves up for failure. God is a window for people who need a being to believe in in order to make their lives fill whole. What's next?! God invented the idea of computers to happen and EVOLVE video cards? All sounds like bogus theories to me. Although evolution is a theory so is the belief of god unless you want to consider a literary masterpiece as concrete evidence,"The Bible".
theory
A noun
1 hypothesis, possibility, theory
a tentative theory about the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; "a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory"; "he proposed a fresh theory
theory
A noun
1 hypothesis, possibility, theory
a tentative theory about the natural world; a concept that is not yet verified but that if true would explain certain facts or phenomena; "a scientific hypothesis that survives experimental testing becomes a scientific theory"; "he proposed a fresh theory
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