What is with these stupid Conroe Pwnz0rs threads.

[RichUK]

:disgust:

Can this please be the last.

 

[Duvie]

I wish they would just consolidate them...Instead of the countless..."will you be buying one"...I have seen like 10 opf those in the last day....


Cannot top them as the iNtel faithful need sometime to gloat.....I mean they have had a rough few years....They fought the sensibility to buy a K8 when it ws the best , but now they fell the urge to blast those as AMD fanboys who choose not to buy a Conroe now over an AMD..

 

[Keysplayr]

I hope neither of you thought that anything different would happen. Like everyone being civil and honest about everything. Seems to be a lot of carnal animal still left in us humans. Be ages and ages before that is ever gone, or close to it. Sorry to say.

 

[Pandaren]

While the gloating is annoying, so is the whining from the AMD flag waving camp.

Originally posted by: Duvie
They fought the sensibility to buy a K8 when it ws the best , but now they fell the urge to blast those as AMD fanboys who choose not to buy a Conroe now over an AMD..

 

[RichUK]

I support neither company, i have an array of different makes of hardware at home, i look forward and embrace all new hardware.

But i feel it just degrades the forum, especially the silly flame bait posts. I understand this should have been raised in the Fourm issues forum. But for the people that only reside in this forum and like to create threads about AMD fanboys and such, i wish they would just grow up a bit.

I mean, its only hardware for gods sake. I am an enthusiast, not a loyalist.

Case in point

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Pandaren
While the gloating is annoying, so is the whining from the AMD flag waving camp.

Originally posted by: Duvie
They fought the sensibility to buy a K8 when it ws the best , but now they fell the urge to blast those as AMD fanboys who choose not to buy a Conroe now over an AMD..

Should I drop you a PM when my Core 2 Duo system is done before yours??? I am part of the best hardware wins category...I have always bought the best cpus...If you hung around this forum more since your joining in 2003 you would have knwon that...

What I was referring to are "true fanboys"...these are the people who only buy on brand loyalty. You would have to been brand loyal up to this point to have bought a P4/P-D over the last year and a half, at least....

Hopefully that was understandable for you....

 

[ramulack45]

ZomgZ i dont post very often at all, but

Conroe Pwnz0rs!!! im getting 50!!

 

[nealh]

I will never understand the fanboy stuff...I like to try the new stuff...I had used Intel and most recently AMD

I am very happy conroe is an excelent processor at good price points ..over Xmas I will probably try to build a new setup with conroe( unfortunately I may miss out on the best OCers)

Go competition....

 

[coldpower27]

Some people must defend thier favourite company despite what is happening, even if they produce products that are behind it happens.Such is slight like how some people will swear by Tide and nothing else.

 

[SexyK]

I think it's just a reflex after the Intel fans had to endure months of "Intel rigged the conroe benchmarks," "Wait for real tests and you'll see Intel is lying" and "Intel buys off review sites" threads.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: SexyK
I think it's just a reflex after the Intel fans had to endure months of "Intel rigged the conroe benchmarks," "Wait for real tests and you'll see Intel is lying" and "Intel buys off review sites" threads.

Not to mention be beaten by the Athlon 64x2 Series, for the time they hard to endure it, it's not unexpected, they need to vent now that Intel has the upperhand again.

 

[Skott]

I dont know which is worse. The Intel fans playing up Intel finally got back ahead of AMD or the AMD fans complaining about Conroe or trying to downplay the new Conroe chip altogether. Personally, I chuckle at each thread I see thats like that.

 

[Conky]

It's definitely retarded to wave the flag for either corporation as neither one of them cares about you.

I am planning on building an E6600-based system but I don't care what anybody else does. If you are happy with your older Intel or AMD stuff then good for you... nothing wrong with that. I am happy with my ATI X850XT right now despite it not being the cutting edge... I don't hate guys with Nvidia SLI rigs.

If I could get an FX-62 for cheaper than the E6600 I would get it but I doubt they will slash the prices that low.

I look at ALL computer hardware from a monetary value point of view. Others value particular brands which is kinda stupid in the computer hardware game.

 

[Cooler]

AMD fans are now getting bashed by Intel fans because they where being bashed earlier . It?s a lot worse in video forum as there is an endless debate ATI vs. NVIDIA .

 

[theprodigalrebel]

I didn't know there even was such a thing as an Intel-fanboy on AT forums
The vast majority of the people here are K8ers and hardcore-gamers (usually both). The early benchmarks had everyone (including me) extremely worked up and the overclockers even more. People finally had a choice in the CPU world (the great K8 vs. the craptastic Netburst was hardly a choice), which is why these threads are popping up.

Like someone above me said, the Video forums have had the ATi/nVidia wars for a long time...the CPU section hasn't seen a war in what, 3 years? People finally have a choice in what CPU to buy so no wonder they are all excited.

 

[harpoon84]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
I didn't know there even was such a thing as an Intel-fanboy on AT forums
The vast majority of the people here are K8ers and hardcore-gamers (usually both). The early benchmarks had everyone (including me) extremely worked up and the overclockers even more. People finally had a choice in the CPU world (the great K8 vs. the craptastic Netburst was hardly a choice), which is why these threads are popping up.

Like someone above me said, the Video forums have had the ATi/nVidia wars for a long time...the CPU section hasn't seen a war in what, 3 years? People finally have a choice in what CPU to buy so no wonder they are all excited.

I'm sorry, but if A64 vs P4 wasn't giving people a choice, then how can Conroe vs A64 be giving people a choice all of a sudden?

Conroe beats A64 by a wider margin and in more benchmarks than A64 ever beat P4 in. Conroe beats A64 in EVERY benchmark, at a lower price, with lower power consumption. At least P4 won *some* benchmarks such as multimedia encoding.

If A64 vs P4 was a no brainer, then Conroe vs A64 is even more of a no brainer.

 

[lopri]

This is my final view on "buying guide", on the condition that the price roadmaps from both camps come true and supply/demand is within reason.

1. If one thinks of building a new gaming rig from ground up, the choice can only be Conroe. At the same price point, E6300 will be comfortably faster than X2 3800+. And above this level, Conroe is the way to go.
2. If one thinks of upgrading, and happen to have a decent Socket 939 setup (especially w/ a single-core CPU), it might make sense to stick with it. There will be so many good choices thanks to the price cut.
3. If one thinks of building super-budget rig w/ Sempron/Celeron, think twice and check out a very fast A64 single-core CPUs, or Pentium D 805.

So currently I'd only advise A64 for people who already have a decent 939 setup, and super-budget section. But after that, it's just Conroes that I'd recommend.

 

[harpoon84]

Yeah, can't argue with that logic, though potential PD-805 buyers would be well advised to get a decent PSU, which I'm not sure quite fits into a 'super budget' rig. Unless you are hell bent on dual core of course.

805s overclock like hell (around 4GHz or something) but run very hot, and use up a lot of power. Just imagine 2 Prescotts heavily overclocked!

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Originally posted by: harpoon84

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
I didn't know there even was such a thing as an Intel-fanboy on AT forums
The vast majority of the people here are K8ers and hardcore-gamers (usually both). The early benchmarks had everyone (including me) extremely worked up and the overclockers even more. People finally had a choice in the CPU world (the great K8 vs. the craptastic Netburst was hardly a choice), which is why these threads are popping up.

Like someone above me said, the Video forums have had the ATi/nVidia wars for a long time...the CPU section hasn't seen a war in what, 3 years? People finally have a choice in what CPU to buy so no wonder they are all excited.

I'm sorry, but if A64 vs P4 wasn't giving people a choice, then how can Conroe vs A64 be giving people a choice all of a sudden?

Conroe beats A64 by a wider margin and in more benchmarks than A64 ever beat P4 in. Conroe beats A64 in EVERY benchmark, at a lower price, with lower power consumption. At least P4 won *some* benchmarks such as multimedia encoding.

If A64 vs P4 was a no brainer, then Conroe vs A64 is even more of a no brainer.

If you look carefully at the gaming benchmarks, Conroe isn't that much faster than A64 when gaming at high-resolutions with high-IQ. It would be criminal to suggest a Socket 939 user to sell his CPU+Motherboard+RAM and acquire a new Conroe setup for a performance boost that only shows up in benches.

Trouble is, most gamers already own an A64 rig. Maybe they have single-core Venice-chips and want to move up to a dual-core Manchester/Toledo? It is these people for whom the price/performance payoff A64 vs. C2D matters most. Keep the old Motherboard/RAM or sell them and buy a new 3-piece combo? (Or maybe 4-piece combo if you include HSF+CPU+MB+RAM).

For a new rig, like you said, C2D vs A64 is a no-brainer as long as they (C2Ds) are in stock.

 

[fatty4ksu]

poor duvie.

The glory days are over!

You've been conroized!

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: fatty4ksu
poor duvie.

The glory days are over!

You've been conroized!

I seem to remember hearing this from intel fans when the Northwood based P4's were faster(barely) than the AXP.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: RichUK
I support neither company, i have an array of different makes of hardware at home, i look forward and embrace all new hardware.

:thumbsup:

Just looking around the house at all "operational" systems, I have four with Intel chips and five with AMD chips.

Sadly the one with a VIA chip stopped POSTing (socket 370 board with burst caps, damn second MSI board I've had that way).

Originally posted by: Duvie
I am part of the best hardware wins category...I have always bought the best cpus...

I am part of the best value hardware "earns my dollar store purchase" category. I have always bought the best value CPUs. I had Celeron 300A chips at 450MHz, and Celeron 366 PPGA chips at 550MHz. I had a P3-550 Coppermine slot 1 at 825MHz on a BX chipset board. P3-700 FCPGA at 933MHz on a BX chipset board. I've purchased $130 Opteron 144 chips and most recent purchase (have yet to arrive) is a pair of $36 socket AM2 Semprons. Oh yeah, and who can forget those mobile Celeron and P4 chips... had a mobile Celeron 1.6 that ran at 3GHz and cost $45 or so from Karaktu. Now that's value!

To me, value is "bang for the buck." A cheap chip that can OC to near top shelf performance.

To Duvie, "the best" means he is 100% guaranteed of top shelf performance.

Basically, whatever floats your boat. Neither is the "right way" nor is one the "wrong way."

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: lopri
1. If one thinks of building a new gaming rig from ground up, the choice can only be Conroe...
2. If one thinks of upgrading, and happen to have a decent Socket 939 setup [get dual core A64 after price drop]
3. If one thinks of building super-budget rig... Sempron

Edited for clarity.

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
Trouble is, most gamers already own an A64 rig.

That's it in a nutshell. Let's say Conroe as a CPU outperforms A64 by... 20% even across the board (imaginary number for the sake of easy math). Let's say a gamer already has top end system - overclocked dual core A64, dual nvidia cards, 2GB DDR with fancy heatsinks...

For a 20% CPU performance increase (not overall gaming increase) would it be worth buying...
Motherboard $200
2GB fancy DDR2 RAM $250
C2D E6600 $320
... $770 worth of parts for a 20% performance gain? Okay, sell off old stuff but still pay around $400 for the upgrade.

I think what happened with all this hubbub is that Intel fanboyz have been held back so long that when C2D came out, their e-peen suddenly burst out so rapidly that they couldn't avoid getting smacked by it in the forehead thus causing feelings of glee and euphoria.

Just to tweak some noses.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: lopri
1. If one thinks of building a new gaming rig from ground up, the choice can only be Conroe...
2. If one thinks of upgrading, and happen to have a decent Socket 939 setup [get dual core A64 after price drop]
3. If one thinks of building super-budget rig... Sempron

Edited for clarity.

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
Trouble is, most gamers already own an A64 rig.

That's it in a nutshell. Let's say Conroe as a CPU outperforms A64 by... 20% even across the board (imaginary number for the sake of easy math). Let's say a gamer already has top end system - overclocked dual core A64, dual nvidia cards, 2GB DDR with fancy heatsinks...

For a 20% CPU performance increase (not overall gaming increase) would it be worth buying...
Motherboard $200
2GB fancy DDR2 RAM $250
C2D E6600 $320
... $770 worth of parts for a 20% performance gain? Okay, sell off old stuff but still pay around $400 for the upgrade.

I think what happened with all this hubbub is that Intel fanboyz have been held back so long that when C2D came out, their e-peen suddenly burst out so rapidly that they couldn't avoid getting smacked by it in the forehead thus causing feelings of glee and euphoria.
Just to tweak some noses.

LMAO that pretty much sums it all up, Intel Fanboy's have had a long "slow" wait and now they think all of their christmas's have some at once...all I can say is IT'S ABOUT BLOODY TIME INTEL HAD SOMETHING COMPETITIVE, it was getting damn boring reading CPU reviews with AMD processors up the top of the charts for so long.

hopefully now things will get interesting once AMD introduces a competitor to the C2D...
I would like to see something similar to the K7 vs P3 mhz race again with AMD and Intel swapping places on the charts every month(lets forget about the P3 1.133Ghz fiasco).

and before I get called an AMD fanboy, I'm not, I own many(8 modern, 3 old school..super7) rigs with both brands of processors...my two pride and joy's feature a AMD64 3000+@2.67Ghz(Venice SKT 754) and a P4 3.06@3.45Ghz(Northwood skt 478), I like the AMD's brute grunt while running games and the P4's snappy multitasking performance.

 

[Markfw]

stumps says it well. And to those that say Conroe dominates in all areas, not quite true, but its definitely the winner. However, OC'ing ability and pricing and availability are still in question IMO. We will know that in the next 2-3 weeks. Duvie for the OC'ing, and the prcing and availibility we will all know.