Because all too often it's easy to just follow the leader instead of actually forming an educated opinion. It's getting kind of old to hear people say "We should bomb Iraq because Bush says <fill in preferred excuse here>". Must be nice to have that much power over the minds of the generally uninformed.
Because all too often it's easy to just follow the leader instead of actually forming an educated opinion. It's getting kind of old to hear people say "We should bomb Iraq because Bush says <fill in preferred excuse here>". Must be nice to have that much power over the minds of the generally uninformed.
according to the link mandela is spreading lies and using "holocaust" terminology to help defend saddam hussein. The only person who wants a holocaust is hussein. For mandela to use his clout to spread this sort of ideology is pathetic.
Jeez, and I just read plan ffor day one and two of the war where we treat them to a nuke like cuise missle attack. I guess if you burn them to death in a day or two that's not a holocaust. I guess a Holocaust is where all the casualties are equally divided between sides.
I bet we have plans to nuke North Dakota in the event of an uprising there as well. I seriously doubt that either of those plans will come into play.
Weak argument. It's easy to throw the word "communist" around with its evil connotations. Communists are not all evil Stalinist creatures, and if you can't come up with anything better to argue against his beliefs, then just don't bother at all; it's not worth it.
people are entitled to their opinions. my father (fought in vietnam) and my grandfather (WW2) are both opposed to this possible war. because they saw the horrors of war they are less gung ho.
No, no an opinion is a luxury only those outside the sphere of the US goverment controlled media are allowed to have.
The rest of us don't have opinions, we have programs.
One day we may be free. Oh yes, one day we may be free!
I heard lots of the pentagon generals are being told to shut up and schwartzcaugh is against the war too.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
You don't have a program, Frances, you have a kiddy script.
"I'm not like them, but I can pretend."
"Your question implies something is wrong with Mandela. Seeing how that is an opinion and not a fact, your question requires you to answer it yourself first. Actually it is more a statement than a question. It should be renamed 'Something is with Mandela.', without the question mark. Then you should tell us what you believe is wrong. That would invite commentary unlike your psuedo-question."
Yep, the original poster engaged in the ridiculous fallacy of complex question. He made a presumption that something was wrong with Nelson Mandela, so all we had to figure out what specific disorder or illness it is. Preposterous!
As much as I disagree with Mandela's political views in many cases or how he ruled South Africa, I have to say that I'm disgusted with how so quick Americans who claim to defend liberty, which encompasses free speech, would be the first to ostracise or rush to lynch someone of differing opinion, whether a foreign authority or not. What happened to constructively criticising someone's position? What happened to the claim of natural rights, eh?
I always love how outspoken Mandela is. I like his quote to Bill Clinton that if Clinton didn't like it, he should "go and jump into the lake." LOL! (I think it was in reference to Mandela's relationship with Libya.) I like such independent thinking in spite of criticism or scorn. He's a very gutsy man.
Yep, the original poster engaged in the ridiculous fallacy of complex question. He made a presumption that something was wrong with Nelson Mandela, so all we had to figure out what specific disorder or illness it is. Preposterous!
As much as I disagree with Mandela's political views in many cases or how he ruled South Africa, I have to say that I'm disgusted with how so quick Americans who claim to defend liberty, which encompasses free speech, would be the first to ostracise or rush to lynch someone of differing opinion, whether a foreign authority or not. What happened to constructively criticising someone's position? What happened to the claim of natural rights, eh?
I always love how outspoken Mandela is. I like his quote to Bill Clinton that if Clinton didn't like it, he should "go and jump into the lake." LOL! (I think it was in reference to Mandela's relationship with Libya.) I like such independent thinking in spite of criticism or scorn. He's a very gutsy man.
What is wrong with Mandela is precisely what is wrong with a lot of Blacks these days.....if you don't like a situation you just immediately turn it into a race issue and accuse the person of being a rascist regardless of the validity of that charge.
Why do I get the feeling that most of the posters getting so melodramatic and self-righteous over even the slightest criticism of Mandela never actually bothered to read the article in detail?
I wish you wouldn't quote like that. With your signature and all, it's hard to tell who posted what.
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This contrasts quite sharply with the pictures of President Bush helping him walk up the steps outside of the White House.
I don't see anyone in this thread wanting to 'lynch' Mandela for his opinions. (btw interesting choice of words there luvly.... lynch? rofl)
Part of free speech, of course, is accepting the response. Mandela can say whatever he likes in whatever manner he chooses. And others can respond to his opinion by saying whatever they like in whatever manner they choose. It's a good system.
GeeeeeeZ! I don't see anything wrong with criticism. My post was directed toward those who have expressed their desire to lynch or silence Mandela if they could. Those who like to incite. . . .
Criticise all you want. I myself disagree with Mandela and don't think that his reasoning is well-grounded, but I will not engage in argument against the person. I will criticise his reasoning, not him as a person.
Criticise all you want. I myself disagree with Mandela and don't think that his reasoning is well-grounded, but I will not engage in argument against the person. I will criticise his reasoning, not him as a person.
Sorry I probably sounded much more hostile than I actually am. I am more of a good natured prick.
I understand and concede your point simply out of sheer laziness.
The fact that Mandela would say the world gets 64% of its oil from Iraq shows he's either senile, or has no idea what he's talking about. Iraq only has about 5% of the world's oil. Lol.
in the first thread, i didn't ask in a negative way or positive way that he is wrong or right, i just wanted to know what he was smoking so that i can have some too.
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