WHAT IS UP WITH IRAN

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Rison

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They are vehementally opposed to us routing the Taliban but they're against the Taliban. To make things even more outrageous, they have done nothing actively to oppose the Taliban. From my point of view, Iran is all talk and no action. We need to deal with them before dealing with Iraq. Iran is an active sponsor of terrorism. Their support goes as far as the summary in their annual budget summary.


One way could be to put an embargo on any nation that trades with Iran and US. That way we can stop their support for terrorism while not dropping a single bomb. Iran is an enemy and needs to be dealt with. 40% if the population is less than 25 years of age. They aren't Islamists. We need to convince them to revolt.
 
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Seems to me that we should go back to our isolationistic ways, instead of trying to police the globe.
 
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aha, everyone the enemy.

Deal with whoever doesnt act as you say, right?

Kill more and more people, right?

Make more and more enemies, right?

no logic in that
 
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One way could be to put an embargo on any nation that trades with Iran and US. That way we can stop their support for terrorism while not dropping a single bomb.


I say screw that, and bomb them to hell.
 
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novon

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Amen to Czar. Iran like MANY other nations does not support the US's childish eye-for-an-eye killing rampage. Granted the latest Iranian government is a little extreme, but the bigger majority of the people of Iran are moderates and would like to estabilish a friendship with the west. They are against terrorism, but do not support the mindless killing and starving of afghanis so that the bush administration can save face.
 
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<< Seems to me that we should go back to our isolationistic ways, instead of trying to police the globe. Seems to me that we should go back to our isolationistic ways, instead of trying to police the globe. >>

 
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Rison

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Czar, I never said to kill anyone. Just sanction anyone that trades with Iran. they'll have to make a choice between iran and the most powerful economy in the world.
 
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Uh, what's happening to Iraq becuase of the embargo? People are dying every single day.
 
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novon

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Rison, instead of bullying our way through the world and making enemies, how about we let people in other countries have their opinions? America is about freedom not opression of belief.
 
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Rison

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Iraq has an embargo because of hussein, not the West. He screwed up and is now paying the price. Don't blame us for his peoples' suffering. Saddam is to blame. I'm guessing you're either an Arab or an arab apologist. You obviously don't see the whole picture. Looks like someone needs to take a history lesson.
 
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<< Czar, I never said to kill anyone. Just sanction anyone that trades with Iran. they'll have to make a choice between iran and the most powerful economy in the world. >>



Because of the sanction on Iraq over 1.25 million Iraqis have died, over 500.000 of those were children. This is just because of the trade sanction. These numbers are from the UN, not Iraq. Take them as facts.
 
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falias

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Exactly, if we have a problem with the governemnt, why are we taking it out on the people?
 
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Rison

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Novon, we are fixing the mess Iran was supposed to deal with a long time ago. Furthermore, Iran supports the like of bin laden. Maybe that's why they did nothing.

Now, it's their time.
 
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Take it like this. Person1 has a gun pointed at the head of Person2, Person1 says "if you move I´ll shoot you", Person2 moves, Person1 shoots Person2. Person1 is the trade embargo, Person2 is the Iraqi people. Who is it to blame the gun was shot? the one holding the gun or the other one?
 
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<< Iraq has an embargo because of hussein, not the West. He screwed up and is now paying the price. Don't blame us for his peoples' suffering. Saddam is to blame. I'm guessing you're either an Arab or an arab apologist. You obviously don't see the whole picture. Looks like someone needs to take a history lesson. >>



Get your facts straight:

1) Iran and Afghans are not Arabs.
2) We are DIRECTLY responsible for the sanctions and the millions of deaths. We saw a bully in a fight, we try to stop the fight (a noble intention), but then we kick the bully in the nuts and kill all his children, say there should be peace, and then say it was all the bully's fault. I sense a bias, who's not seeing the whole picture?
 
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Those people are dead because Hussein didn't give a rat's arse about them. When will you arab apologists get that through your ignorant heads. Now, after they've died (because of him) he's using their death as propoganda.

Novon, I was talking about iran originally, you or someone else switched to ziraq. Now, I'm tslking about iraq. if you kick a bully in the nutz and kill his kids, the bully is to blame becuase he initiated the fight. No apologies.
 
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<< They are vehementally opposed to us routing the Taliban but they're against the Taliban. To make things
even more outrageous, they have dome nothing actively to oppose the Taliban. From my point of view, Iran is
all talk and no action. We need to deal with them before dealing with Iraq. >>



the operative word is 'us', as in u.s. influence to dictate the future government of afghanistan. iran would like
more of a say, but that wont happen. we've invaded their sphere of influence in pursuit of osama and his gang.
they feel impotent and cornered.

up to a point we want what they want: the taliban destroyed, osama's boys eradicated, and a block on foreign
sunni islamism. the taliban slaughtered thousands of hazaras (shia muslims like the iranian people) a few years
ago, murdered eight visiting iranian diplomats in 1998, and provided support to anti-shia groups operating inside
iran.

iran provided money and arms to anti-taliban forces in the years when the u.s. was siding with american oil
interests who were atempting to curry favor with the taliban to see their pipeline plan approved. after their
diplomats were murdered they amassed troops on the border with afghanistan, on the verge of war.

iran has a legitimate beef. once relative political stability is established inside afghanistan, then u.s. oil
interests will move in, build their pipeline, reap profits for themselves and whatever afghan government
follows, and leave iran in the lurch, seething, discontent, and asking now what.
 

Iran has never liked us or our actions. They are a war mongering nation ready to do whatever to get ahead. Let them mind their own business and run their mouths ALL they want.
 
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novon

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someone has the big picture. thanks syzygy. Always assume the situation is more complicated and interconnected than it seems.
 
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<< Amen to Czar. Iran like MANY other nations does not support the US's childish eye-for-an-eye killing rampage. Granted the latest Iranian government is a little extreme, but the bigger majority of the people of Iran are moderates and would like to estabilish a friendship with the west. They are against terrorism, but do not support the mindless killing and starving of afghanis so that the bush administration can save face. >>



This is one of the most ignorant post that I've seen on this topic since Sept. 11. Thank you for confirming your ignorance.
 
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Czar

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Rison, sorry that it has come to this, I would never belive that I would stoop this low but Rison, you are an idiot.
 
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AndrewR

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People are dying [in Iraq] every single day.

Ok, once and for all for the REALLY STUPID bleeding hearts out there that do not understand what is happening. Saddam has more than enough money to supply his people with enough food and medicine to keep them healthy and happy, which is why he is able to sell a certain amount of oil legally. HOWEVER, (and this is the point where the really slow people need to pay attention) Saddam chooses to spend all of his money on upgrading the his nation's military and by putting more and more money into Iraq's WMD programs.

Who is to blame for any starvation of the Iraqi people? The government which allocates the money, NOT the sanctions which limit the amount of income Iraq has.
 
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