Smoking and tobacco use kills more people every year than all the wars put together
I'm tired,enough is enough,I do not want to argue with you anymore.
If you want to believe that tobacco is harmless,go right ahead.
I'm tired,enough is enough,I do not want to argue with you anymore.
If you want to believe that tobacco is harmless,go right ahead.
When I was a kid it was called dip. It left a nasty white mark on peoples gums/inside of their lip. The people that did it eventually became heavy smokers. I wish I knew where they are now.
Roger, I never said tobacco doesn't cause cancer, I said Snus(the Swedish definition) doesn't, all your links are about toacco, and the first one you provided surely seems like an unbiased source, no matter the topic.
Unfortunately, since the English word seems to mean a whole truckload of stuff, I'll leave you with some Swedish links, and I'll translate some important parts, there are enough Swedish members on this board to tell you if I translate in "strange" ways.
Fron the Swedish congress or senate, whatever
Means roughly, "Today, several scientific studies are showing that Swedish "snus" doesn't increase the risk of cancer."
Straight from the Riksdag(comparable to your congress or senate).
From "Socialstyrelsen", the Swedish institution that is responsible for public health among other things, and that has banned alcohol and tobacco commercial in TV.
Basically says "Long term usage of "snus" causes changes to <dont know how to translate, vital parts of your mouth anyways> , but the likelyhood that it will develop into cancer seems to be small".
Now, these are straight from the Swedish goverment, I didn't bother to include sources that are "non official" since you never know who is behind those sources, but I can tell you one thing, the Swedish goverment surely isn't too happy about neither tobacco nor alcohol.
Or anything else related to drugs for that matter.
Now, I wanna make one thing clear, Im not saying "snus" is healthy, Im saying there's no proof that it causes cancer, at least not what we call snus in Sweden, I won't even bother trying to talk about the stuff covered by "Chewing tobacco" in the US, since I dont know much, if anything, about that.
Oh and skace, thats funny, in Sweden, many people use snus as a substitute for ciggarettes, since everyone on this side of the big pool agrees that it's far less dangerous than ciggarettes.
Don't know, maybe whatever you have over there is different in some way, I know some American companies tried to get in on the Swedish snus market, but gave up rather quickly since noone liked their products.
Look,I am not going to argue with you.
I don't care if your congress said monkeys could fly.
Listen to your own words,your swedish "Snus" contains TOBACCO,which is A KNOWN CARCINOGEN...PERIOD.
I don't care if your congress said monkeys could fly.
Well, I guess there's just no way to win when someone's determined enough that they're right, it's like debating creation vs evolution with a hardcore religious person.
Oh well, I'll continue to live happially in the knowledge that noone's ever proved that Swedish snus causes cancer.
And what makes me even more happy is that you finnish this debate by going the vlassic route of trying to make jokes and poke fun at the other part when arguments run out.
Oh and for the bolded part of your quote, who provided facts?
I provided links to summaries of studies, you provided links to google, yeah, the latter is facts all right
Oh well, I'll continue to live happially in the knowledge that noone's ever proved that Swedish snus causes cancer.
And what makes me even more happy is that you finnish this debate by going the vlassic route of trying to make jokes and poke fun at the other part when arguments run out.
Oh and for the bolded part of your quote, who provided facts?
I provided links to summaries of studies, you provided links to google, yeah, the latter is facts all right
Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Let it go Roger, he's not listening
No reason to get upset over this fellas...
"Excuse me, waiter?"
"Yes?"
"I ordered Zima, not emphizima!"
Haha got to love the simpsons
HaHaHa that was great.
some people just have simple minds and are not ready to handle new information that alters their prospective on life.
Good luck Sunner on broading your mind to a new idea of fact and information.
You asked a question then get upset at answers given to you. Next time don't ask if you can't handle the answer.
Now I understand,you are illiterate,it makes sense now.
If you bothered to look at those links from google,you would have found link after link after link pointing to article after article pointing to the very basic FACT that ALL TOBACCO causes cancer.
Nice self description of yourself.
Originally posted by: ThunderGirl
Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Let it go Roger, he's not listening
No reason to get upset over this fellas...
"Excuse me, waiter?"
"Yes?"
"I ordered Zima, not emphizima!"
Haha got to love the simpsons
HaHaHa that was great.
some people just have simple minds and are not ready to handle new information that alters their prospective on life.
Good luck Sunner on broading your mind to a new idea of fact and information.
You asked a question then get upset at answers given to you. Next time don't ask if you can't handle the answer.
Umm, yeah, riiight(Dr.Evil is good too).
First of all, the question asked was "Whats this called in English", which Vi_edit kindly answered, though I misread his first explaination(sorry Vi).
Now, Roger comes along, and still hasnt provided any proof, and neither have you for that matter.
It seems like the general attitude is ciggarettes = tobacco = snus = cancer
Fine, prove it, and no, I dont want links to "Tobacco causes cancer", I dont want links to Google.
I want links from reliable sources, and frankly, to me Swedish sources are the most reliable since by far the most snus is sold in Sweden(over 80% of all the snus sold worldwide last time I checked), and hence it's a big thing here, while in other countries it's not.
Like I said, it's like debating creation vs evolution with a hardcore religious person, in the end, they allways end up with namecalling or simply saying "You're wrong cause thats the way it is!".
Oh, and hey, lookie here, an English link, a really good one IMO.
Let me ask you one thing Mr.stubborn.
DOES SNUS CONTAIN TOBACCO ??
A simple yes or no answer PLEASE.
DOES SNUS CONTAIN TOBACCO ??
A simple yes or no answer PLEASE.
Sorry, just can't help myself, yet another English link, look about one page down, though the facts along the way are pretty interesting as well.
"Everyone" agreeing doesn't necessarily mean that "Snus" is really any more or less dangerous than any other tobacco. At the end of the day, as Roger points out, tobacco is tobacco and is a carcinogen.
I spotted the part on the website you posted that points out that Swedes were the first to meet WHO non-smoking demographic targets, and I suspect it's in part because enough smokers were convinced to change their nicotine delivery systems from smoking to Snussing, if you'll forgive my creating a new word.
A red light flashes in my mind because the connection that Swedish gov't may be so supportive of snus for the following reasons:
#1 Makes them look good before the world population to say that they lowered smoking rates before any other country in the EU
#2 Snus appears to be an indigenous Swedish product, and could be a cash cow if sold in other parts of the world (kind of like those gasketless Swimming Goggles that are known the world over). Unfortunately, any tobacco product carries a stigma in most countries, so it is in Swedes' best interest to minimize the apparent risks of the product.
#3 Presumably, if Sweden's governing body is anything like most others in the west, it's probably a majority of men. Since 22% of Swedish men use Snus, then it's probably safe to assume that a similar number of government officals use Snus and all of them have an interest in officially deluding themselves from being convinced their habit is dangerous.
In your defense, I will say that types of tobacco from different parts of the world are wildly different in taste, texture and aroma. Go smell the average American cigarette, and then go smell latakia or perique. You'd never guess that all three are tobaccoes.
The curing and preparation process is also different.
However, at the end of the day, GothiaTek's website comes flat out:
That could very well be, and it could very well be a result of whatever type of tobacco is in snus, and perhaps the curing and perparation process also lowers the TSNA levels. But TSNA still exists in Snus. A few studies showed (according to GothiaTek) that Snus doesn't cause cancer, but we don't really know much about the studies. How much Snus was used in the studies? Who was studied? For how long? How often did they Snus? Did they also drink or smoke? Were they already at risk?
Perhaps Snus is weak enough in carcinogens that there is a low risk of cancer, but it's unreasonable to say that it does not cause cancer at all.
American tobacco is strong and harsh. Tobacco from "big tobacco" companies is often full of non-tobacco additives and other crap. I can see why it wouldn't sell well on the Swedish market, although I know some tobacconists who occasionally grind snuff, and I imagine they could make a pretty decent form of Swedish snus from their tobaccos.
Yes it does, why do you ask?
I couldnt care less what it contains, in the end, all research points to one little fact: Swedish snus doesn't cause cancer.
A few years back, everyone thought it did, for the same reasons you think it does now, it contains tobacco, just like ciggarettes, and cigg causes cancer.
And frankly, thats a reasonable asumption that I agreed with at the time.
But since, studies have shown that, wow, it doesn't, and hence, I've changed my oppinion.
If someone suddenly discovers that everything we "know" now is wrong, I'll change again, no biggie, and when that happens, you can say "I told you so" to me all you want, but until then, accept the facts.
I couldnt care less what it contains, in the end, all research points to one little fact: Swedish snus doesn't cause cancer.
A few years back, everyone thought it did, for the same reasons you think it does now, it contains tobacco, just like ciggarettes, and cigg causes cancer.
And frankly, thats a reasonable asumption that I agreed with at the time.
But since, studies have shown that, wow, it doesn't, and hence, I've changed my oppinion.
If someone suddenly discovers that everything we "know" now is wrong, I'll change again, no biggie, and when that happens, you can say "I told you so" to me all you want, but until then, accept the facts.
Let's all bow in awe to sunner and his "Facts"
You think what you want,but the day you die from cancer from chewing that crap,I will still be here enjoying my life.
'nuff said
You think what you want,but the day you die from cancer from chewing that crap,I will still be here enjoying my life.
'nuff said
Jzero, thanks a bunch for not just saying "You're wrong", I really appreciate it.
I frankly don't know how many of the "regeringsledamöter"(congressmen) are women, but I know there are quite a few, I believe it was somewhere around 45% after the last election.
Anyways, Im not saying snus can't cause cancer, im saying as of right now, everything indicates that it doesn't.
But, I dont know why, or why American chewing tobacco might cause cancer, differences in the mixture seems to be the most reasonable reason, especially if the differences are as big as you say(I dont smoke, and I've never tried any American tobacco products at all, so Im in the blind there).
I frankly don't know how many of the "regeringsledamöter"(congressmen) are women, but I know there are quite a few, I believe it was somewhere around 45% after the last election.
Anyways, Im not saying snus can't cause cancer, im saying as of right now, everything indicates that it doesn't.
But, I dont know why, or why American chewing tobacco might cause cancer, differences in the mixture seems to be the most reasonable reason, especially if the differences are as big as you say(I dont smoke, and I've never tried any American tobacco products at all, so Im in the blind there).
On the topic, is snus pronounced like snoose? If it is snoose is also a commonly used term for chew or whatever you want to call it.
I don't know about the Swedish stuff but chew definitely causes cancer. The Swedish stuff sounds exactly like chew.
I don't know about the Swedish stuff but chew definitely causes cancer. The Swedish stuff sounds exactly like chew.
I'd say it's pronounced more like "snews".
But I don't really think there's any good comparable word for it, as I discovered when I looked through the sites that repeatedly stated that research pointed to no connection between snus and cancer, all the English ones just kept referring to it as "snus" or "Swedish snus".
But I don't really think there's any good comparable word for it, as I discovered when I looked through the sites that repeatedly stated that research pointed to no connection between snus and cancer, all the English ones just kept referring to it as "snus" or "Swedish snus".
alrighty then you be our fact. You start using the stuff everyday and then lets see if you get cancer and die. If you don't guess then you have maybe proved your point. Or just got really lucky.
In 1981, a study conducted in North Carolina among 752 women showed the use of snuff increased the risk of mouth and throat cancer four- fold. The risk of cancer in the cheek and gums increased nearly fifty-fold. This study was sponsored by the National Cancer Institute and was led by epidemiologist Dr. Deborah Winn. It was prompted by the unusually high death rate from oral and throat cancers observed among Southern white women.
Here is a link to the Cancer Institute. Smokeless tobacco
Please don't be naive about whether this applies to snus either. Tobacco is tobacco
Here is a link to the Cancer Institute. Smokeless tobacco
Please don't be naive about whether this applies to snus either. Tobacco is tobacco
1981?
Alrighty then, I'll take that over studies conducted around 2000 anyday
And, that applied to snuff if I read it correctly, and thats one of the points I've been trying to make, there's abviously some differences between the American stuff known as "chewing tobacco" and Swedish snus, as indeed, alot of studies seem to show connections between cancer and chewing tobacco, while studies also show no connection between snus and cancer.
A tip if you wish to do a search on the topic at hand, rather than somewhat related topics, replace snuff or chewing tobacco with snus when you search google or whatever, seems like snus is a term thats been adopted quite well by English sites.
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