to eia430; if you would read the text and think about what is written instead of looking for mistakes you would have found this yourself. It is quite clear that Genesis 1 is a creation account. So the question is "Is Genesis 2 another creation account?" The simple answer is no.
Here is why.
Genesis 1 says that man and woman were created on the 6th day. So this much we know. Then God rested on the 7th day. This ends the creation account. This however is not all that God wished to make known to us. So in Genesis 2 God through Moses explains HOW God created man and woman. We know He created man out of the dust of the ground. If Genesis 2 had not been given we would assume woman had been created in the same manner. This is not the case, however. Woman was created from man thus setting up the entire order of marriage, the family, and the church. This, however, if interjected into Genesis 1, would have destroyed and taken away from the creation account in Genesis 1. So God in His infinite wisdom inspired Moses to write this after the 7 day account. The whole point of when God said "it is not good that man should be alone" is to show the contrast between He and the animals. When man named the animals there was none found like him. It says nothing about order. It just says the man who was created on the sixth day named the animals which had already been created.
Let me give an example. My younger brother calls my dad Smokes (I don't know why, he doesn't smoke) He, my younger brother, gave him that name. Now does that imply that my younger brother was born before my dad. Let's think about that for a minute. You know, I just don't see how my younger brother giving my dad a name implies that he was born first. And you know what, it can't imply that because it's not true, my dad is older than my brother. Yet that is what you are saying. Because man is mentioned first, and then compared to the animals it must imply that he was created first. That's a wrong assumption.
So here is the truth about those passages. God created the animals. (they had no names) Then God created man. Then man named the animals. While naming the animals he saw none like himself. Then God created woman from man.
So when you say that Genesis 2:18,19 shows order you are making up an implication that is not there. What Genesis 2:18,19 does show is that man is lord over the animals (doesn't contradict Genesis 1), man is not like the animals (doesn't contradict Genesis 1), woman was created from man (doesn't contradict Genesis 1)
I think it is you eia430 who needs to question whether you have been indoctrinated with that extremely twisted understanding of the text. Or did you come up with it yourself. I doubt it since my brother used the same one. I imagine he is like you. He went to philosphy classes and says he was "freed" but he was just indoctrinated with far out excuses like that. Indoctrinated with how to find stuff that isn't there.
I would say that my understanding of the text is the one that the normal person comes to. I got it from reading the text myself, not some professor telling me what to believe.
But now your interpretation seems to be the one that only a few would come to and then indoctrinate it into others.
Just my opinion and what my reasoning tell me.
You still did not answer your own question WHO CREATED GOD.
You just said "what I know for myself"
I tried to explain myself and I get blasted for stupidity and then you give that.
I reached my answer because the Bible says it, God gave me faith to believe, and it is the only thing that makes any sense. (yes I have asked myself the question, "How do I know what I believe is right?"
So if you have some better answer than mine, please give it.
And if you claim to be so rational and searching why have you not asked yourself what came before the "big bang"?
I am not telling anyone to dumb themselves down and neither is my church. You again assume all churches are like your catholic one. They are not. The church I go to is a relatively new denomination (approx 30 years) because they saw all the others as differing from the Bible. So while I admit that not the church I attend nor the denomination is perfect, we are doing as best we know in accordance with the Bible and if God gives us more light from the scriptures then we will change to reflect that light.
I would be very afraid to only be able to trust part of the scriptures. And to make deciphering which is true up to me. You say you determine by prayer. How do you know about prayer? From the Bible. Well how do you know that part is true? How do I? I don't get whatever clarified mindset that you get. What am I to do?
It is impossible that you see a biblical life in yourself. You deny that what it says is true. You may live a morally good life but by biblical I meant "bible based". That is what it means. See the root "bibli". So when you deny the church's importance, the teachings in 2 Peter 1:3, and many more that I don't even know about, you are not biblical. You are not even trying to be. I admit that I fail more times then I can count but I am trying. You yourself proclaim that you live according to what you think is right, that is not biblical that is
Just wanted to clear that up.
I have already told you why I am not doomed to that fate but I will tell you again. God, apart from anything I had, have, or ever will do, rescued me from my sins through faith through Jesus Christ alone. That is what the Bible tells me is the only escape. Now I live as obedient to Him as I can. I'm sorry I didn't mention again.
Like I said I view the earth as a steward and so it should be protected and used wisely. I have a reason for what I believe and would try to get people to do it. Do you have a reason why you can tell someone why he should look for a non-polluting renewable fuel sorce? Or why someone else shouldn't make it his life's mission to buy and burn all the resources we have on earth.
As to your 20 mile farm. Is the sun going to last forever? I'm pretty sure that I'm correct in this and I think the simple answer is no. What will harvest the solar energy? What will transfer and convert that energy? Will these last forever? Will they need replacing? Will the production of the components for this farm be produced pollution free? Those are just my questions to your farm. And those are from a 20 year old who knows nothing about it. I'm sure more intellegent people can come up with a lot more difficult questions than mine.
By accepting this I do guarantee that I will never find it because it doesn't exist. However, it does imply that, unlike ones searching for this who will surely fail, I may succeed in my endeavor, to find less polluting fuels. In fact, if this farm can exist and supply power for as long as the sun lasts they have still failed to do what they intended. But they acheived what I desired, LESS polluting and MORE free, but never total.
This brings up a question. How do know anything about this farm? You read it, someone told you. Got to be one of the two. How do you know they aren't just making it up? Or did you do ALL the research yourself based only upon your previous research and no one else's? I imagine you accepted what you read. Yet you dismiss my acceptance of what Peter wrote by inspiration of God even though it has lasted almost 2000 years, and there are various manuscripts supporting it. Hmmm. I think I'll accept what has already been proven true for 2000 years and after your farm has been in operation for 2000 years, I'll give it a little bit more attention.
Everything that I see the Bible telling me to do I see as good, right and smart. When I used to hate doing what it said it was because God had not made me a new creature and I of course was in opposition to the Bible's teachings.
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