What is the sweet spot card to get now?

[el etro]

UH no. R7 265 is Pitcairn XT with a different bios, period.

No man, is not. Is a 7850 with higher clocks and one of the best perf/$.

Not true at all.

First, the R7 265 is the same Pitcarin GPU used on the 7850 with a different BIOS and possibly different RAM as well. Second, it will have a $150 MSRP, but that certainly does not mean it will debut at that price considering 270s are ~$50+ above their MSRP, I don't think I need to mention how much higher 280x/r290s are retailing for. Lastly, if a 265 is a gaming card, then so is the 750Ti, since the 750Ti=7850 which is only slightly slower (~10%) than a 265.

Is as fast as 7850 in toms hardware. 7850 equals 650TiB on most sites tests.

 

[nwo]

You're right(it seems). Most cheap 7950B on Newegg is $400.

7970/7950 new prices are stupid right now, and the prices of used cards are not much better either. 280X's are well above $400 but at least they are significantly faster than a 7950.

 

[TreVader]

No man, is not. Is a 7850 with higher clocks and one of the best perf/$.



Is as fast as 7850 in toms hardware. 7850 equals 650TiB on most sites tests.

NO you're wrong. R7 265 uses the EXACT same PCB as R7 270, which is a 7870 GHZ edition.

1280 stream processors and 32 ROPs. It's Pitcairn XT

[redacted]
7850: 1024:64:32
7870: 1280:80:32
R7 270 : 1280:80:32
R7 270X: 1280:80:32
R7 265: 1024:64:32 UNLOCKABLE TO 1280:80:32

I'm going to wait for the explanation for how the 750ti with 128 bit memory 640:40:16 (shader/tex/rop) is somehow a good deal when you can get an R7 265 with 256bit memory and nearly 2x shaders and ROPs.

Infraction issued for inflammatory language. Three days off for accumulation of points.
-- stahlhart

 

[el etro]

7850 Chip is cut down from 7870 Chip.
R7 265 may use 7870 board, but is still a 7850 chip clocked higher.

 

[nwo]

270=/=7870 GHz edition or not. They may be the same GPU, but the PCB, VBIOS, and VRAM are different.

1280 stream processors and 32 ROPs. It's Pitcairn XT

Wrong again. A Pitcairn XT comes with 1536 stream processors right out of the box. Again, the 265 comes with 1024 which is the same as a 7850. However, you are right, it does have some disabled shaders as well as disabled compute units...

When AMD introduced its Radeon R9 270, based on the Curaçao GPU (formerly named Pitcairn), all of the chip's 1280 shaders remained active, just as we came to expect from the Radeon HD 7870. Consequently, we didn't think that a cut-down version resembling the Radeon HD 7850 was happening. Necessity is the mother of invention though, and sure enough, the Radeon R7 265 sports the Radeon HD 7850's same configuration. Four of Curaçao/Pitcairn's Compute Units are disabled, leaving 16. All told, 1024 shaders and 64 texture units remain

Since the cards have not hit retail yet, we do not know the success rate of unlocking the additional shaders and CU's. If they can be unlocked, then the 265 becomes a 270 since they both use the same VRAM.

This is going to be one interesting and fun card to play around with for only $150. I'm hoping that it will be $150 for at least a few hours/days so I can get in on one before the hyper-inflated prices take over

 

[Subyman]

lol buying new graphics cards... $450 GTX 690 all day

nothin wrong w used, i say be green and recycle

$450 690? More like $700.

 

[el etro]

@Op: At $150, pick r7 265....

270=/=7870 GHz edition or not. They may be the same GPU, but the PCB, VBIOS, and VRAM are different.

Is same chip.

Wrong again. A Pitcairn XT comes with 1536 stream processors right out of the box.

This is Tahiti LE. Is made from a 7970/7950 chip.

 

[KaRLiToS]

Yep, the sweet spot is definitely the GTX 760 @ about $200. Its only slightly slower than a 280X which retails for 2x the amount. Alternatively, you can try to get a GTX 770 for ~$300, which is slightly faster than a 280x.

Here is a nice comparison of the relative performance of the GPUs:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/R9_270X/26.html

GTX 760 slightly slower than a R9 280x?

And the GTX 770 slightly faster than the 280x?

Please

The GTX 770 is usually slower than the R9 280x... Unless you are Nvidia biased and you believe and GTX 750ti will be faster than a R9 280x...

 

[stahlhart]

Everyone tone it down, now.
-- stahlhart

 

[KaRLiToS]

Everyone tone it down, now.
-- stahlhart

Understood mate :thumbsup:

 

[nwo]

GTX 760 slightly slower than a R9 280x?

And the GTX 770 slightly faster than the 280x?

Please

The GTX 770 is usually slower than the R9 280x... Unless you are Nvidia biased and you believe and GTX 750ti will be faster than a R9 280x...

Have you looked at the link I provided?

For me, 20% is not a groundbreaking performance difference. It is a slight performance difference.

Again, the link speaks for itself. So I will leave it at that.

Is same chip.

True, the 265 uses the same chip as the 7870s and 270s. It just has some shaders and CUs disabled.

This is Tahiti LE. Is made from a 7970/7950 chip.

Yes, it is the same chip. However, a Tahiti LE or 7870 XT LE whatever you wanna call it, is significantly different than a 7950/7970. 7950 has more shaders than the 7870XT LE, 7970 has more shaders than the 7950. Both the 7950 and 7970 have 384 bit memory bus, while the 7870XT LE has 256 bit bus.

 

[tweakboy]

The sweet spot if 760 Ti 3GB or 4GB vram. OC the 760 along with your CPU and you should be good. No bottleneck imo.

 

[TeknoBug]

R7 265: 1024:64:32 UNLOCKABLE TO 1280:80:32

This has me interested, however I already have a pretty good AMD card, and I at least want to have an Nvidia card for the other PC, mix 'em up. However the 265 unlocked with Mantle enabled in games... imagine the combination.

 

[B-Riz]

OP, how much do you want to spend?

If you need something and don't mind used, look in the following order on Craigslist and eBay from cheapest to most expensive (should be close).

GTX 660
HD 7870
GTX 660 TI or GTX 760

All will let you play at 1920x1080 with varying levels of extra processing stuffs.

Is your PSU capable of a more power hungry card?

 

[nwo]

Heck, if you're willing to buy used lava has the 660Ti SC for ~$150 shipped over at FS/FT. That's a steal imo!

 

[96Firebird]

The GTX 770 is usually slower than the R9 280x... Blah blah blah "claiming bias if you don't agree" nonsense.

I find it funny that you claim if anyone disagrees they are biased, yet you are completely wrong. Most sites put the 770 above or equal to the 280X in overall performance, including TPU above and HC here: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...s/63522-amd-radeon-r9-280x-3gb-review-13.html

If you could provide some links to performance summaries that say otherwise, please do so.

 

[KaRLiToS]

I notice a GTX 770 in your sig rig so I'll stop there.

 

[96Firebird]

I notice a GTX 770 in your sig rig so I'll stop there.

:thumbsup:

I'll take a look at those links you provided when I have time... Oh, wait. ^_^

 

[stahlhart]

I find it funny that you claim if anyone disagrees they are biased, yet you are completely wrong. Most sites put the 770 above or equal to the 280X in overall performance, including TPU above and HC here: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...s/63522-amd-radeon-r9-280x-3gb-review-13.html

If you could provide some links to performance summaries that say otherwise, please do so.

I said:

Everyone tone it down, now.
-- stahlhart

We can get to the answers to these questions without being unnecessarily confrontational.

-- stahlhart

 

[lavaheadache]

Heck, if you're willing to buy used lava has the 660Ti SC for ~$150 shipped over at FS/FT. That's a steal imo!

thanks for the plug!

I'm might just keep it and pop it into my htpc

 

[parvadomus]

290X = Titan
290 = 780
280X = 770
280 = 760
Easy

 

[KaRLiToS]

:thumbsup:

I'll take a look at those links you provided when I have time... Oh, wait. ^_^

Please don't be sarcastic my friend.

I don't need links... I tested the cards, on water, all of them. I know that the most OCed GTX 770 / GTX 680 will not equal the most OCed HD 7970 or 280x.

I tried 6 x HD 7970, 2 x GTX 680 on water, a GTX 780 on water, 4 x 290x on water.

The worst card I tried was the GTX 680, especially with the adaptive Vsync always dropping to 30 fps because the card can't keep up at 1440p (because of the 256bit obviously). Even with the block their OC capability was fine but nothing extraordinary.

Now you'll tell me that the GTx 770 is a better binned GK 104. And yes its true, but still limited with the 256bit bus.

The best cards are obviously the 290x and the GTX 780. Single GTX 780 was just pure awsomeness at 1440p. Same thing with 290x.

But I know that the GTX 770 is an awsome card, but saying that the GTX 760 is a tad below the 280x and the GTX 770 above the 280x is just silly.

GTX 770 is pretty much equal to the 280x. But again, 256bit is... you know ?

290X = Titan
290 = 780
280X = 770
280 = 760
Easy

Exactly.

(And I think the GTX 780ti would be a tad better than the 290x but at low resolution, 1600p and below... But the 290x will dominate at triple monitor or 4k. )

 

[Attic]

I've been debating this topic for awhile and came really close to just buying a PS4 for my sweetspot gaming fix.

Said F it and took some profits from mining and got a 290x sapphire tri-x to run my gaming setup. First time since the 9700Pro I bought quite awhile ago that I did a no compromise GPU purchase. I'm AMD biased, but I'd consider the 780 non Ti a decent card right now even with high price/performance ratio at this segment.

I think going into the next year or two that we'll want a lot of GPU horsepower, I think the 780/780ti/290/290x will hold up without performance requiring a scratch of the itch for a GPU upgrade like everything slower will.

 

[MustangSVT]

so whats the best value?

r7 265?

or 7850?

or 750ti?

??

 

[alcoholbob]

A used 780 if you can get it for like $350 is pretty sweet, and you can overclock it 1200MHz on stock voltages, probably hit 1300MHz with skynet bios.