what is the secret to getting bokeh with my S3

[Deadtrees]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
As I said earlier, full frame is about the design of the mount. For an example, Canon's 35mm mount is made to work with specific the lenses and films. In this case, it'd be 135mm films. By using cropped sensor in any given cameras, the sensor that isn't originally designed for 135mm standard, it becomes what's known as cropped frame camera. And, that is why cameras that use FourThird system(Olympus being the leader) isn't considered as cropped frame cameras (Because FourThird started off by designing a new mount for that 2x smaller than 35mm sensor system).

And, don't forget people do use the term APS, APS-H cameras when referring to cropped frame cameras. Again, this is about the design of the mount, not just about the size of the film. If that EOS IX used 35mm mount, it's a cropped frame camera.
If it had its own mount designed for work with that specific APS film, then it'd be a FF APS camera.

and, again, in fuzzy's history of the terms full frame, it was apparently used to set it apart from such compact cameras as the olympus pen (which was half frame, though specifically designed to thrown an imaging circle of that size in order to make a much more compact camera). under your definition, the olympus pen is a full frame half frame camera.

the EOS IX used regular EF lenses. the nikon APS SLR competitor, the pronea, used it's own system lenses rather than F mount.

and people use APS-H and APS-C.

now that pentax is moving it's whole lens lineup to be oriented around APS-C, does that make their APS-C specific lenses and bodies full frame? they are using their legacy mount (for good reason), but everything is now designed for the APS-C image circle (just so happens that most 35 mm mount systems have good telecentricity for standard image sensors of APS-C size). instead of the 35 mm 70-200 they're making an APS 50-135 which gives similar FOV to a 75-202.5 mm 35 mm lens.

whatever it is, it's confusing.

Pentax's K mount is designed for 35mm film. Unless they don't change the format of the mount, using cropped frame sensor/lens on that mount = cropped frame camera.
If Pentax comes out with New-K mount that's designed to work with 1.5 cropped sensor/lens, then it'd be a FF 'whatever they name it' camera just like Olympus FourThird cameras.

You're confusing yourself by focusing on the size of film/lens. Like I said, it's about the 'mount'. If you only focus on the size of sensor/lens, you become the one who makes mistakes of calling "medium format? fuller frame? how about large format? fullest frame?"

Still don't get it?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Deadtrees

Pentax's K mount is designed for 35mm film. Unless they don't change the format of the mount, using cropped frame sensor/lens on that mount = cropped frame camera.
If Pentax comes out with New-K mount that's designed to work with 1.5 cropped sensor/lens, then it'd be a FF 'whatever they name it' camera just like Olympus FourThird cameras.

You're confusing yourself by focusing on the size of film/lens. Like I said, it's about the 'mount'. If you only focus on the size of sensor/lens, you become the one who makes mistakes of calling "medium format? fuller frame? how about large format? fullest frame?"

Still don't get it?

why does the mount matter so much? if there wasn't a mount at all then it would be full frame with the lenses that pentax is now releasing (assuming you used those in a fixed lens camera). a new mount that was incompatible with K would likely have a similar register (again, telecentricity is important for digital and so registers designed for 35 mm film SLRs work pretty well for digital but rangefinder registers not so much).

basically, there is no reason to get rid of K-mount, and a lot of reasons to keep it.

so, if everything else in the system moves to being APS specific but the specs of the mount stay the same, then it is a crop camera, but if the mount were to change just a tiny bit (say, fully electronic so it can't use any of the legacy equipment easily), then it's a full frame camera? that's silly.

 

[Deadtrees]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Deadtrees

Pentax's K mount is designed for 35mm film. Unless they don't change the format of the mount, using cropped frame sensor/lens on that mount = cropped frame camera.
If Pentax comes out with New-K mount that's designed to work with 1.5 cropped sensor/lens, then it'd be a FF 'whatever they name it' camera just like Olympus FourThird cameras.

You're confusing yourself by focusing on the size of film/lens. Like I said, it's about the 'mount'. If you only focus on the size of sensor/lens, you become the one who makes mistakes of calling "medium format? fuller frame? how about large format? fullest frame?"

Still don't get it?

why does the mount matter so much? if there wasn't a mount at all then it would be full frame with the lenses that pentax is now releasing (assuming you used those in a fixed lens camera). a new mount that was incompatible with K would likely have a similar register (again, telecentricity is important for digital and so registers designed for 35 mm film SLRs work pretty well for digital but rangefinder registers not so much).

basically, there is no reason to get rid of K-mount, and a lot of reasons to keep it.

so, if everything else in the system moves to being APS specific but the specs of the mount stay the same, then it is a crop camera, but if the mount were to change just a tiny bit (say, fully electronic so it can't use any of the legacy equipment easily), then it's a full frame camera? that's silly.

Man, this is going nowhere.
It matters so much because that's how one can define whether this camera is a either FF or CF camera.