What is the relationship between Porsche and VW?

[FrogDog]

I know that they are related somehow but I'm not sure exactly how. If someone could link me to an article that mentions it that would be great.

 

Ferdinand Porsche designed and built the first Volkswagon (peoples car), the first technical drawing appeared in 1935, Dr.Porsche decided to build his own sports car after the war.


(Simplified version)


Porsche 356 engine

VW Beetle engine

There are many similarities between the 356 and beetle.

 

[CChaos]

They are pals.

 

[sillymofo]

The first porsche was built with vw parts...

 

The first porsche was built with vw parts...

Not true, they are very similair, but not thye same, Dr.Porsche followed his own example but did not copy his previous design.

 

[N8Magic]

n/m double post

 

[N8Magic]

Originally posted by: Roger
Ferdinand Porsche designed and built the first Volkswagon (peoples car), the first technical drawing appeared in 1935, Dr.Porsche decided to build his own sports car after the war.


(Simplified version)


Porsche 356 engine

VW Beetle engine

There are many similarities between the 356 and beetle.

I'll also add that some new Porsche/Volkswagen vehicles will share parts and technologies.

Despite their gentleman's agreement, I don't believe either company holds a financial interest in the other.

 

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: Roger

The first porsche was built with vw parts...

Not true, they are very similair, but not thye same, Dr.Porsche followed his own example but did not copy his previous design.

I watched the chronical of Porsche from whence the company started, to how they went to France after the war and their family was put in France's prison for aiding Hitler in the war, to how the 901 was changed to be the 911 on one of the History channel, TWICE. Yes, the first Porsche was built with VW parts, and intended as a racer.

 

[Lifer]

amazing how the "people's car" is no longer affordable by the people.

$80k phaeton?
$45k touraeg?
$26k golf?

 

[Encryptic]

Originally posted by: N8Magic

Originally posted by: Roger
Ferdinand Porsche designed and built the first Volkswagon (peoples car), the first technical drawing appeared in 1935, Dr.Porsche decided to build his own sports car after the war.


(Simplified version)


Porsche 356 engine

VW Beetle engine

There are many similarities between the 356 and beetle.

I'll also add that some new Porsche/Volkswagen vehicles will share parts and technologies.

Despite their gentleman's agreement, I don't believe either company holds a financial interest in the other.

If I'm not mistaken, they hold stock in each other or something similar. ::shrug::

In any case, Porsche and VW have shared technology and parts over the years. The Porsche 914 had a VW engine in it, and if I'm not mistaken, one of the engines available for the Porsche Cayenne is a VW engine also used in the VW Touareg.

I've also heard that just about every Porsche ever made has at least one VW-sourced part in it, aside from the examples above.

 

[dpm]

Honestly, they're just good friends...

 

I watched the chronical of Porsche from whence the company started, to how they went to France after the war and their family was put in France's prison for aiding Hitler in the war, to how the 901 was changed to be the 911 on one of the History channel, TWICE. Yes, the first Porsche was built with VW parts, and intended as a racer.

I don't know where they got thier info from, but Porsche 356a,b' and c's are not built from beetle parts, I know, I have built and am in the process of building (restoring from scratch) 4 356's, two A models and two B models, the only parts that will interchange between the two follows ;

Pushrods
Flywheel shims
Kingpins
Internal transmission parts (Several synchros and bearings)
Fan belt
Generator

The rest of the vehicle is different and will not interchange.


They may have been referring to the first prototype 356 which did contain numerous beetle parts, but that was only the prototype, production 356's have only a few carry over parts.

 

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: Roger

I watched the chronical of Porsche from whence the company started, to how they went to France after the war and their family was put in France's prison for aiding Hitler in the war, to how the 901 was changed to be the 911 on one of the History channel, TWICE. Yes, the first Porsche was built with VW parts, and intended as a racer.

I don't know where they got thier info from, but Porsche 356a,b' and c's are not built from beetle parts, I know, I have built and am in the process of building (restoring from scratch) 4 356's, two A models and two B models, the only parts that will interchange between the two follows ; Pushrods Flywheel shims Kingpins Internal transmission parts (Several synchros and bearings) Fan belt Generator The rest of the vehicle is different and will not interchange. They may have been referring to the first prototype 356 which did contain numerous beetle parts, but that was only the prototype, production 356's have only a few carry over parts.

You are right, in a production car aspect, but the first Porsche was not the 356. It was a three race cars that was built for Hitler in a propaganda campaign to dominate a race from Berlin to Paris, before the war started. They never saw action because the war started before the race commenced, and those cars were built from VW parts by Ferdinand Porsche (and family).

 

You are right, in a production car aspect, but the first Porsche was not the 356. It was a three race cars that was built for Hitler in a propaganda campaign to dominate a race from Berlin to Paris, before the war started. They never saw action because the war started before the race commenced, and those cars were built from VW parts by Ferdinand Porsche (and family).

That was not a Porsche, Porsche began building his own after the war, it's like saying that the VW Beetle is a Porsche, it's not, it was only designed by him


FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT

Put up your dukes

 

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: Roger

You are right, in a production car aspect, but the first Porsche was not the 356. It was a three race cars that was built for Hitler in a propaganda campaign to dominate a race from Berlin to Paris, before the war started. They never saw action because the war started before the race commenced, and those cars were built from VW parts by Ferdinand Porsche (and family).

That was not a Porsche, Porsche began building his own after the war, it's like saying that the VW Beetle is a Porsche, it's not, it was only designed by him
FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT
Put up your dukes

A left:
It's all subjective, the race cars used SOME VW parts, not all, and Porsche built it, to call it a VW is not right to me.

And a right:
You're OLD .... Oohhhhhhhhhhhh :evil:

 

[Asharus]

Porsches, Audis and VWs share some of the same parts. I figured this out when I noticed my friend's Audi A6 cupholders were exactly the same as the ones in my brother's Porsche Boxter.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Roger

The first porsche was built with vw parts...

Not true, they are very similair, but not thye same, Dr.Porsche followed his own example but did not copy his previous design.

Well, the Gmund coupes were indeed built largely out of parts recovered from VW "Kubelwagens". Granted the design was new and the parts were modified rather significantly, but the parts were still almost all "born" as VW parts.

ZV

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: N8Magic

Despite their gentleman's agreement, I don't believe either company holds a financial interest in the other.

they don't hold stock in each other but the pietch family holds large chunks of each company

 

It's all subjective, the race cars used SOME VW parts, not all, and Porsche built it, to call it a VW is not right to me.

It's not subjective at all, Porsche began building thier own vehicles after the war, everything beforehand is not a Porsche !


I may be old but I certainly can kick your behind with one hand tied behind my back you young'n.

Jabs a right and a quick left to cr4zymofo jaw, DOWN HE GOES !!!!!

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Asharus
Porsches, Audis and VWs share some of the same parts. I figured this out when I noticed my friend's Audi A6 cupholders were exactly the same as the ones in my brother's Porsche Boxter.

The three companies, in the 1980's and earlier at least, were all owned/run by members of the Porsche family. Audi by marriage, and VW by a cousin of the Porsches if I am remembering correctly. At some point, the heads of all three were related somehow.

ZV

 

[sillymofo]

Originally posted by: Roger

It's all subjective, the race cars used SOME VW parts, not all, and Porsche built it, to call it a VW is not right to me.

It's not subjective at all, Porsche began building thier own vehicles after the war, everything beforehand is not a Porsche ! I may be old but I certainly can kick your behind with one hand tied behind my back you young'n. Jabs a right and a quick left to cr4zymofo jaw, DOWN HE GOES !!!!!

You keep talking old man... one day.. just one day... I'll kick your cane!

 

[JulesMaximus]

I like going up to people who own Porsches and saying "hey, nice Volkswagen!" They don't seem to get the humor though. I guess Porsche owners just don't have much of a sense of humor.

I also like to go up to the owner of a Porsche 911 Cabriolet and asking him how he likes his Boxster. That's always good for a laugh.

 

I graduated from a cane to a walker a year ago, what you gonna do now smarty pants ?

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I like going up to people who own Porsches and saying "hey, nice Volkswagen!" They don't seem to get the humor though. I guess Porsche owners just don't have much of a sense of humor.

I also like to go up to the owner of a Porsche 911 Cabriolet and asking him how he likes his Boxster. That's always good for a laugh.

Yes, because all of us who own Porsches are stuck up twits who only want the badge.

The 911 was a 100% new design at the time and it owes nothing to the beetle aside from the engine/transaxle layout and its floor-hinged style of pedals. Even though those traits were carried over, the parts themselves were all-new. Now, Porsches like my 914 and my 924S were supposed to be VW's, even though all design work was carried out by Porsche. Actually, these two "bastard" Porsches have gone down in Porsche history as the best handling cars to ever come out of the Stuttgart company. Any 911 owner who is embarassed by the Boxster is an idiot, the Boxster is one hell of a damn fine automobile.

ZV

 

[Encryptic]

Sorry to take this slightly off-topic, but what exactly is Porsche's "S" designation supposed to indicate (as in 924 S, Cayenne S, etc.)? I've never quite figured this out. Does it mean "Sport" and does it indicate an upgraded engine, suspension, etc.?