Originally posted by: brxndxn
I mean, it makes them think stuff like ghosts exist and magic is possible.
Actually, you have it backwards. It's becominging an adult that makes you think that ghosts don't exist and magic isn't possible.
They do exist and magic is possible. How quickly we forget....
I'm not telling you why everyone does the Santa thing, I'm telling you one reason why we'll do the santa thing with our kids...
If you're bad (sinful), God won't take you in, you'll go to Hell. Since Hell is far too scary for little kids, not getting presents is a fair substitute.
Make your own choices for your kids, I don't mind if you don't do the Santa thing, just don't make that choice for my children.
Grasshopper
Children are not little adults, and I think a lot of people want to treat them that way.
The world is magical to a 6 year old, that is how it should be...
Grasshopper
I think the concept of children's innocence has very little to do with either ignorance or crime, and everything to do with sexuality. Kids are innocent till they get old enough to start thinking about sex, at which point thier minds have been "dirtied" and they're no longer just little children. I don't really think anyone thinks about it very often, but I really think that people think kids are innocent cause they don't care about sex.
They don't care about sex because they don't know what it is. Another cultural creation, not some natural thing. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, just that the concept of "innocence" is not a human universal.
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I think sex matters to kids, whether they know about it or not. Or, more aptly, the absence of sex matters to kids. Which is why sexually abused children suffer so much.
I knew it, I knew it, I knew it!!!
HotChic is one smart woman, she had hit this nail on the head...
This is also why I think that people who sexually absuse children should be either put to death (if you support the death penalty), or put in prison for the rest of their lives (if you don't).
There is NEVER EVER NEVER NOT ONE LITTLE BIT IN THE VERY LEAST ANY KIND OF REASON EXCUSE OR CAUSE FOR AN ADULT TO SEXUALLY ABUSE A CHILD, NEVER EVER EVER NEVER!!!!
Grasshopper <--- naa, I don't have strong feelings about this, ya think?
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Totally. Which is why the absence of sex matters to children, and if they're healthy they don't even know it's absent or that its absence matters.
Of course they don't. How can they, without a sex drive? But there is nothing biological about believing that they are innocent because of this and that sex is wrong and nasty.
Do kids really ever believe in Santa Claus? I never did -- it's so frigging obvious that they are men dressed up with fake beards and stuff. Kids never wondered why the Santa in one mall looked different from Santa in another mall? Are all kids stupid? Or was I just a smarter than average kid?
One time my elementary school teacher mentioned something about the tooth fairy. Well, soon after one of my tooth came off. So, I told my mom what the elementary school teacher said and hoped that she would play along and leave some money under my pillow when I woke up the next morning.
The next morning when I woke up, I looked under my pillow and there was my tooth.
One time my elementary school teacher mentioned something about the tooth fairy. Well, soon after one of my tooth came off. So, I told my mom what the elementary school teacher said and hoped that she would play along and leave some money under my pillow when I woke up the next morning.
The next morning when I woke up, I looked under my pillow and there was my tooth.
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
I knew it, I knew it, I knew it!!!
HotChic is one smart woman, she had hit this nail on the head...
This is also why I think that people who sexually absuse children should be either put to death (if you support the death penalty), or put in prison for the rest of their lives (if you don't).
There is NEVER EVER NEVER NOT ONE LITTLE BIT IN THE VERY LEAST ANY KIND OF REASON EXCUSE OR CAUSE FOR AN ADULT TO SEXUALLY ABUSE A CHILD, NEVER EVER EVER NEVER!!!!
Grasshopper <--- naa, I don't have strong feelings about this, ya think?
I'm going to edit your statement:
There is NEVER EVER NEVER NOT ONE LITTLE BIT IN THE VERY LEAST ANY KIND OF REASON EXCUSE OR CAUSE FOR AN ADULT TO ABUSE (sexually or otherwise) A CHILD (or another adult), NEVER EVER EVER NEVER!!!!
Sexual abuse is never ok. Doesn't matter if you're raping a little kid or a 24 year old woman. It's still wrong. It's the same thing with any other type of abuse. You can't jsut beat on kids who didn't do anything wrong, as you can't beat on ANYONE who doesn't deserve it.
kami
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Well you just explained it right there.
If you've never experienced it, then you don't really know what you're missing. I remember it as a child and how fun it was to think there was a santa and I want my kids to have that same magical feeling. One day I just asked my mom if there is a santa and she said "no, but don't tell your sister."
no psychological damage, no crying, just "cool now i know the big secret and my little sister doesn't!"
What's wrong with that?
I let my daughter believe in Santa Claus. I don't make a big deal of it either way. I don't push the "Santa isn't going to bring you any thing if you don't do whatever." And let me say that some parents use Santa as a total tool to blackmail their kids into being good. It's very hard to explain why you want your child to believe in Santa. It's just great to see the wonderment in a childs eye. Kids appreciate the gifts they get from Santa more than they do other gifts. They get more exited about them. It's a magical gift from a celebrity! How cool is that?
Besides, how do you know there isn't a Santa Claus? Maybe he just doesn't come to see you because you don't believe in him.
You're not one of those people that go around telling little kids there is no Santa are you HotChic?
LOL!
I doubt it, I picture her as being very kid friendly, she just has that look to her...
I personally think that HotChic is going to be a great Mom some day...
Grasshopper
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Nope, just one of those people who starts threads on the internet about the cultural reasoning behind perpetuating tradition.
Never disillusioned my little sister who chose to believe, never encouraged my little sister who chose not to believe. I don't really see any harm in the tradition, but I don't really see any point in it either.
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Once you stop believing in Santa, it all goes downhill. Santa is the idea that if you are a good person, you will get good things, and if you are bad, you won't get good things. Of course once we grow up we find out that this isn't the case at all, in fact it seems to be more the exception than the rule. Personally I think that we would all be a lot better off if we kept believing in Santa.
Originally posted by: HotChic
Saints preserve us! Me, have kids? The world should run in terror.
Yes, you!
I'm serious, I think you'll make a great Mom...
Grasshopper
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