What is the NRA about?

[Roflmouth]

We had a war that proves we're willing to do what it takes to destroy amoral traitorous pieces of shit.

"We" ROFL

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

Hint: you're not included in the "we" because you are one of said amoral traitorous pieces of shit.

 

[HTFOff]

We had a war that proves we're willing to do what it takes to destroy amoral traitorous pieces of shit.

Hint: you're not included in the "we" because you are one of said amoral traitorous pieces of shit.

Behold Antifa's Interwebz Battalion reminding us who the true good guys are.

 

[Azuma Hazuki]

Cockroaches and evildoers fear the light. People like you arise in every era, and in every era you fall to Hell in the end. It seems like some of you don't learn your lesson there and keep wasting your new lives being the same sort of self-serving asshole.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

So in your world does every us citizen get access to any gun? With zero regulation?

You stated

" I bet we could all agree on a basic national standard and then let each state/city come up with further regulations based on a consensus from that region."

I asked if you thought that it should apply to every Constitutional right. You know such as free speech, freedom of religion, search and seizure, slavery etc.

 

[agent00f]

"We" ROFL

Behold Antifa's Interwebz Battalion reminding us who the true good guys are.

You stated

" I bet we could all agree on a basic national standard and then let each state/city come up with further regulations based on a consensus from that region."

I asked if you thought that it should apply to every Constitutional right. You know such as free speech, freedom of religion, search and seizure, slavery etc.

Yes, exactly why we have the NRA we have today. Because people like you want to limit gun owners' rights over relatively little. You have a laser focus on something that is highly regulated and harms society far less than much less regulated things. Like I said, people like you are on an evangelical crusade, you aren't interested in logical thinking about this.

The people who think Roflmouth types are the true good guys.

 

[Roflmouth]

The people who think Roflmouth types are the true good guys.

Which of these posters have said that my "types" (whatever those are) are the "true good guys." Go ahead and quote them right here -------------->

 

[agent00f]

Which of these posters have said that my "types" (whatever those are) are the "true good guys." Go ahead and quote them right here -------------->

Pretty obvious they much prefer the company of racist degenerates to liberals.

 

[Ackmed]

Seeing people go off the deep end over the video, and the second video is pretty funny. Sad, but funny.

Incorrect. I'm sure the same thing was said about the BAR in 1934.

Surely you aren't trying to compare an automatic machine gun with a bipod that has a higher caliber to a semi-automatic AR are you? That's a stretch even by your standards.

 

[jackstar7]

Surely you aren't trying to compare an automatic machine gun with a bipod that has a higher caliber to a semi-automatic AR are you? That's a stretch even by your standards.

You appear to have an opinion: where is the line drawn for what a citizen can own in terms of armament?

 

[Jhhnn]

Seeing people go off the deep end over the video, and the second video is pretty funny. Sad, but funny.



Surely you aren't trying to compare an automatic machine gun with a bipod that has a higher caliber to a semi-automatic AR are you? That's a stretch even by your standards.

I mentioned it merely to point out that the govt of the people has the right to regulate firearms & that firearms enthusiasts were undoubtedly posturing the same way back then.

A BAR wouldn't be a good choice for massacring unarmed people, anyway. It's 4 ft long, weighs 15 pounds, kicks like a mule & only holds 20 rounds. AR's are much better for that sort of thing- much shorter, half the weight, kicks like a little girl & holds 30 rounds. Drug cartels just love 'em.

 

[xthetenth]

I also have to call BS on the whole "yeah, you're gonna take on the army with a .44, good luck" angle. "The army" got its ass handed to it by people in the middle east over and over and over again armed with not much more than AKs and other small arms. The only way "the army" is going to win urban warfare against "we the people" is bombing campaigns and/or {radio/bio}logical attack, and as soon as they try that the entire civilized world will be on them like a cheap suit in a thunderstorm.

The Iraqi insurgency was fought as much or more so with explosives than rifles. The biggest failure of the campaign was pretending that security was unnecessary, and letting the genie out of the bottle as the Iraqi arsenals were picked clean. Tanks weren't getting wrecked with ARs, they were getting wrecked by bundles of artillery shells. Small arms make things more dangerous for occupying infantry and allow a lot of harassment, but the IED is the biggest weapon for actual damage. The bigger use of small arms is for various factions to use on each other, making the breakdown of the state more dangerous to civilians.

And that's completely disregarding the fact that most military personnel aren't going to turn on the populace in general (making this entire argument pretty moot). To me the whole 2A thing is far more useful for the protection of the US as a whole. I'm fairly certain it's at least one reason why Japan wasn't jumping all over the chance to initiate a land war on our west coast in WW2.

Japan conducted its amphibious attacks on a total shoesring budget. They didn't have the merchantmen to carry enough men for an invasion of Hawaii, let alone the mainland, let alone what it would take to sustain such an invasion.

Behold Antifa's Interwebz Battalion reminding us who the true good guys are.

So you're going to bat for the Confederacy? I'm not even sure naked support of slavery is a new low for you, honestly.

 

[agent00f]

You appear to have an opinion: where is the line drawn for what a citizen can own in terms of armament?

The line is mostly drawn at what suburban commandos buy as toys.

The larger gun issue in this country is best analogized to pollution, where relatively wealthier whiter demographic push for lax gun laws that perpetuate the worst violence in poor minority areas. The better off gun owners largely aren't the ones getting shot so they don't give a shit. It also carries other side effects like on policing where cops must assume the worst about people they pull over. The worst part of it is there's no real benefit for the former demo outside a hobby interest vs. the social costs to everyone else, but that's to be expected of entirely selfish people.

 

[Roflmouth]

The line is mostly drawn at what suburban commandos buy as toys.

The larger gun issue in this country is best analogized to pollution, where relatively wealthier whiter demographic push for lax gun laws that perpetuate the worst violence in poor minority areas. The better off gun owners largely aren't the ones getting shot so they don't give a shit. It also carries other side effects like on policing where cops must assume the worst about people they pull over. The worst part of it is there's no real benefit for the former demo outside a hobby interest vs. the social costs to everyone else, but that's to be expected of entirely selfish people.

Yes, damn those "selfish" people for asserting the rights that you hate that they have, why can't they just give them up so brainless authoritarian liberals feel better?

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, damn those "selfish" people for asserting the rights that you hate that they have, why can't they just give them up so brainless authoritarian liberals feel better?

Yeh, their wannabee domestic terrorist grandfathers wanted to keep their Thompsons back in 1934, too. So sad. So oppressive.

 

[zzyzxroad]

You stated

" I bet we could all agree on a basic national standard and then let each state/city come up with further regulations based on a consensus from that region."

I asked if you thought that it should apply to every Constitutional right. You know such as free speech, freedom of religion, search and seizure, slavery etc.

Because the're all the same? Do you think freedom of speech and the right to own and use weapons are the same? If you think all Americans should have access to all weasons then let's agree to disagree. If you don't then you concede that we need regulation and let's talk about what that should look like.

 

[agent00f]

Yes, damn those "selfish" people for asserting the rights that you hate that they have, why can't they just give them up so brainless authoritarian liberals feel better?

Pretty certain many of the rights your sorts hold dearest were found lacking, like for example the right to own people.

 

[jackstar7]

The aforementioned mental illness restriction, which the ACLU worked against, since they are actually lawyers and legal experts.

Maybe gun rights folks aren't proud of that victory though... I wonder why that would be...

Are gun rights advocates not celebrating this? Pretty sure it was the ACLU not defending group rights, but clearly the rights of individuals.

So weird that this point was ignored.

ACLU > NRA

 

[SlowSpyder]

The people who think Roflmouth types are the true good guys.

Pretty obvious they much prefer the company of racist degenerates to liberals.

Because I support the 2A I want to hang out with racists? What are you even saying?

The 2A is clear, I support all of the rights expressed in the constitution, I don't pick and choose. I bet an AR15 is used in <1% of all gun crime, yet some people are very emotionally set on trying to limit my rights to own one because AR15 style guns scare them. I disagree with those posters. That has nothing to do with race. In fact I've expressed in this thread that I'd be happy to see more minority groups embrace their 2A rights.

 

[zinfamous]

Yes, damn those "selfish" people for asserting the rights that you hate that they have, why can't they just give them up so brainless authoritarian liberals feel better?

It's weird how you freely choose to give away nearly all of your rights, yet cling to this single right like it's your most precious Teddy Bear...and always with the argument that you need that right to protect all the other rights that you obviously don't care about.

It's fascinating, the mind of willful morons...er I mean conservatives.

 

[xthetenth]

In fact I've expressed in this thread that I'd be happy to see more minority groups embrace their 2A rights.

In practice this is one of the best ways to drive gun control. Which is fun in its own way, but it's driven by fear and is usually pretty damn weird and non-constructive control like what St. Reagan enacted in CA.

 

[zinfamous]

In practice this is one of the best ways to drive gun control. Which is fun in its own way, but it's driven by fear and is usually pretty damn weird and non-constructive control like what St. Reagan enacted in CA.

yep. minorities did try that, and it didn't work out well for them. Whitey (Ronnie Ray-guns) got all scared.

 

[SlowSpyder]

In practice this is one of the best ways to drive gun control. Which is fun in its own way, but it's driven by fear and is usually pretty damn weird and non-constructive control like what St. Reagan enacted in CA.

I don't get why conservative types put Reagan on such a pedestal. He was a tax & spend type, doubled the debt, sold arms illegally, more or less created bin Laden, and he was extremely anti-gun. Lots of pro-2A'ers are very pro-2A until they realize that the 2A applies to all Americans, not just white conservative 'muricans. I'm fond of everyone having and enjoying the same rights.

 

[xthetenth]

I don't get why conservative types put Reagan on such a pedestal. He was a tax & spend type, doubled the debt, sold arms illegally, more or less created bin Laden, and he was extremely anti-gun. Lots of pro-2A'ers are very pro-2A until they realize that the 2A applies to all Americans, not just white conservative 'muricans. I'm fond of everyone having and enjoying the same rights.

Yeah, that's a pretty common one. There was a hilarious schism in the Oathkeepers over Ferguson when some of them thought that their schtick of using gun rights to stand up to abusive police treatment included black people because they apparently hadn't gotten the memo.

As far as Reagan's popularity, I think a lot has to do with Reagan's speeches about such subjects as welfare queen"s" (Even though the subject was one person and a notorious high outlier, it'd be like talking about Bill Gates as a representative example of upper class incomes) giving an acceptable veneer to hatred. A lot of modern dogwhistling goes back to him.

 

[jackstar7]

I don't get why conservative types put Reagan on such a pedestal. He was a tax & spend type, doubled the debt, sold arms illegally, more or less created bin Laden, and he was extremely anti-gun. Lots of pro-2A'ers are very pro-2A until they realize that the 2A applies to all Americans, not just white conservative 'muricans. I'm fond of everyone having and enjoying the same rights.

Hope you will respond in the other thread...