What is the campus security's right to stop you?

[Juno]

my school has campus safety but most of them are students. we don't real cops unless county sheriffs come if we interfere. they report to sheriffs instead town cops.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: BigJ
I believe you have to identify yourself (IE give them your real name), but in no way do you have to show them ID of any form.

Riding without a light is a traffic violation - if they're 'real' police officers, I don't see why they would not need to show ID.

Again, I don't know the law for other states..but a Florida state university police department has legal jurisdiction in the entire state - whether you're on campus or off-campus is irrelevant.

I was talking generally. You more than likely do have to provide proper identification if you break a law. But if some LEO stops you just for the hell of it, I don't believe you are legally obligated to present him with a form of ID.

 

[NeoPTLD]

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: BigJ
I believe you have to identify yourself (IE give them your real name), but in no way do you have to show them ID of any form.

Riding without a light is a traffic violation - if they're 'real' police officers, I don't see why they would not need to show ID.

Again, I don't know the law for other states..but a Florida state university police department has legal jurisdiction in the entire state - whether you're on campus or off-campus is irrelevant.

I'm aware OREGON STATE police who also patrols have that right, but dept of public safety is not a real police.

 

[Nick5324]

Originally posted by: Injury
It doesn't matter whether it is a private or public university, it's private property either way.

You either play by their rules or you don't go there. If you don't want to stop for them or tell them to piss off, be prepared for any consequences, the most of which may be being harrassed/arrested then released, being charged with tresspassing... if the campus security is a full-fledged police force and not just rent-a-cops... don't be stupid. Putting up a fight because you think you are smarter than them isn't worth the consequences.

If you are a student there, your student status is likely under the condition of abiding by the college/campus rules and regulations, which likely include sections about the jurisdiction of the campus security.

If you got cited, make an effort to fight such a stupid citation.

To answer your question directly... "Their school, their rules."

:thumbsup:

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Mike
My campus "security" consists of real police officers.

yup, full blown police and fire here at Purdue.

Well we also to the student security patrol that go around and give out parking tickets at night

 

[NeoPTLD]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Mike
My campus "security" consists of real police officers.

yup, full blown police and fire here at Purdue.

Well we also to the student security patrol that go around and give out parking tickets at night

We have a third revenue collecting arm of university called the "Parking Services", a division of facilities services.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: ntdz
I don't think you're legally obligated to do what they say.

yes you are, they are police officer. They can arrest you.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: Alkesh
University of California cops are REAL cops here, so we have to obey.

Yup, we have to listen to the UC police officers.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Aimster
After 9-11 they stopped me.

Told me they are searching cars ( they only searched mine )

made me get out searched me and then searched my car.

Mad me wait for an hour and then drove off.

Redneck pricks.

I have no doubt you deserved it.


At my college the campus safety guys were able to write real traffic tickets (not just tickets payable to the school). Apparantly they're a real law enforcement agency.

 

[myusername]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: BigJ
I believe you have to identify yourself (IE give them your real name), but in no way do you have to show them ID of any form.

Riding without a light is a traffic violation - if they're 'real' police officers, I don't see why they would not need to show ID.

Again, I don't know the law for other states..but a Florida state university police department has legal jurisdiction in the entire state - whether you're on campus or off-campus is irrelevant.

I was talking generally. You more than likely do have to provide proper identification if you break a law. But if some LEO stops you just for the hell of it, I don't believe you are legally obligated to present him with a form of ID.

Yeah, you do, remember that deal about a year ago with some redneck in oklahoma. The video was posted here. IIRC the case went to SCOTUS and he lost (ID must be presented upon request) Not sure if that's only "in the course of an investigation", but they're the guys with the guns, and we now have video evidence they use them improperly, so you really don't want to argue too hard.

 

[NeoPTLD]

"Oregon State Police

Oregon State Police are uniformed officers who are responsible for law enforcement, criminal investigations, traffic enforcement, bicycle enforcement, accident response, crowd control, and crime prevention. Oregon State Police's authority to act comes from the Oregon Revised Statutes.

While the Oregon State University community and the city of Corvallis are considered friendly and relatively safe communities, neither is immune to the realities of the world. A safe and secure environment is made possible through each member of the Oregon State University community's involvement in crime prevention and sensible behavior.

In order to have a safe and successful Oregon State University experience, each person must take responsibility to recognize one's own vulnerability to crime and reduce risks through preventive action and cooperation with Oregon State Police and the Department of Public Safety .
Department of Public Safety

Department of Public Safety officers patrol the campus and are responsible for the protection and safety of persons, property, and buildings on campus. They accomplish their mission through regular patrols of buildings and grounds and through campus crime prevention and safety education programs. They also conduct investigations, respond to campus incidents, building alarms, injuries or illnesses, fires, safety hazards, and calls for assistance: enforce University regulations; and coordinate with OSP on campus to provide assistance as needed. "

Looks like the DPS has no real authority to F' with students...

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: Injury
It doesn't matter whether it is a private or public university, it's private property either way.

You either play by their rules or you don't go there. If you don't want to stop for them or tell them to piss off, be prepared for any consequences, the most of which may be being harrassed/arrested then released, being charged with tresspassing... if the campus security is a full-fledged police force and not just rent-a-cops... don't be stupid. Putting up a fight because you think you are smarter than them isn't worth the consequences.

If you are a student there, your student status is likely under the condition of abiding by the college/campus rules and regulations, which likely include sections about the jurisdiction of the campus security.

If you got cited, make an effort to fight such a stupid citation.

To answer your question directly... "Their school, their rules."

Q F T ..... F T W

 

[NeoPTLD]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: Injury
It doesn't matter whether it is a private or public university, it's private property either way.

You either play by their rules or you don't go there. If you don't want to stop for them or tell them to piss off, be prepared for any consequences, the most of which may be being harrassed/arrested then released, being charged with tresspassing... if the campus security is a full-fledged police force and not just rent-a-cops... don't be stupid. Putting up a fight because you think you are smarter than them isn't worth the consequences.

If you are a student there, your student status is likely under the condition of abiding by the college/campus rules and regulations, which likely include sections about the jurisdiction of the campus security.

If you got cited, make an effort to fight such a stupid citation.

To answer your question directly... "Their school, their rules."

Q F T ..... F T W

They can't define their right to demand ID.

 

[FoBoT]

i think they can do one anal probe per month on you

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: myusername

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: BigJ
I believe you have to identify yourself (IE give them your real name), but in no way do you have to show them ID of any form.

Riding without a light is a traffic violation - if they're 'real' police officers, I don't see why they would not need to show ID.

Again, I don't know the law for other states..but a Florida state university police department has legal jurisdiction in the entire state - whether you're on campus or off-campus is irrelevant.

I was talking generally. You more than likely do have to provide proper identification if you break a law. But if some LEO stops you just for the hell of it, I don't believe you are legally obligated to present him with a form of ID.

Yeah, you do, remember that deal about a year ago with some redneck in oklahoma. The video was posted here. IIRC the case went to SCOTUS and he lost (ID must be presented upon request) Not sure if that's only "in the course of an investigation", but they're the guys with the guns, and we now have video evidence they use them improperly, so you really don't want to argue too hard.

The verdict was that one has to reveal his or her identity to the police upon demand if the demanding officer has reason to suspect that criminal mischief is afoot.

The case was in Nevada, and under Nevada law, a police officer cannot arbitarily stop someone on the street and ask for ID. Well they can, but you cannot be legally punished if you don't ID yourself.

If your state has a law saying you don't need to ID yourself if arbitrarily asked for it, then you don't.

Not saying that you should, but if you want to take the risk, go for it.