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What is the big deal with taxes?
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Capt Caveman
Lifer
/facepalm
Andrew1990
Banned
Hey, I brought some chips and beer.
soulcougher73
Lifer
I dont know. I dont mind paying them for things that everyone uses and/or things i think most people would benefit from. Taxes are always neccessary to some extent.
HardcoreRobot
Lifer
Why do you only pay 20%? I pay much more. What is different between you and I that I must pay more?
Flipped Gazelle
Diamond Member
Super Troopers!
acheron
Diamond Member
The US has the second highest corporate income tax rate in the world. Just because you personally don't write them down on your form doesn't mean you aren't paying them, unless you assume corporations only pay taxes using money gathered by fairies, or by digging up treasure chests full of doubloons.
Brainonska511
Lifer
And it also has one of the lowest effective corporate income tax rate in the world.
frostedflakes
Diamond Member
I don't think it's so much about the taxes for many people, but rather what it's being spent on. People see the government taking their money, but they get nothing tangible in return.
acheron: That statement is pretty disingenuous. The US does have some of the highest statutory rates in the world, but there are so many deductions and loopholes that the effective tax burden for many corporations is one of the lowest in the world. I think some even pay no corporate taxes or have a negative tax rate.
acheron: That statement is pretty disingenuous. The US does have some of the highest statutory rates in the world, but there are so many deductions and loopholes that the effective tax burden for many corporations is one of the lowest in the world. I think some even pay no corporate taxes or have a negative tax rate.
Insomniator
Diamond Member
And I wouldn't consider much of the rest of the world a good role model, so maybe even lower taxes would be good.
The thing that bugs me the most about taxes is that the millions of people that do not pay them still get to vote.
check out 2009 Forbes tax misery index:
http://www.forbes.com/global/2...sery-reform-index.html
US as whole is not bad at all in comparison to other countries, like France or China, but certain cities/states, like NYC, are still pretty bad
http://www.forbes.com/global/2...sery-reform-index.html
US as whole is not bad at all in comparison to other countries, like France or China, but certain cities/states, like NYC, are still pretty bad
destrekor
Lifer
Every year people love to bitch about taxes, trying to claim how they are illegal and other bullshit. People don't realize a country absolutely cannot function without taxes. It is how anything gets done - security, government wages, military, and the continued presence of every government agency, among a slew of other things, are all funded by taxes. Without taxation, we would have a government with no employees unless basically working for free, no military, no federal departments, and just about everything else that is under the government umbrella.
It is not unconstitutional. This year especially, but not excluding any other year where people spazz out about taxes, people love to claim that all of our taxes somehow fall into the constitutional protection against taxation without representation. Um... we are represented. We vote those people in.
Have issues with current taxation levels, and allocation of spending of our taxes? Take it up with your representatives. People love to cling to politicians because they vote some things that they like. What is with our population that they love to bitch when government does something wrong, and they realize their representative voted for those bill or agreed to that budget... yet turn their backs on that issue when it comes time to vote? I don't get it. Who cares how many damn things they voted for in Congress that you agreed with... if they voted for even one thing that just pissed you off like no other, and you view that as something that isn't lending to further progress in the government/country, don't vote for that individual! If everyone woke up and followed that advice, we'd have a lot of different people in government. And that'd give new politicians much more of a fighting chance at elections if the other candidates have all voted for bullshit.
Of course, if you don't want to go that route, and are too in line with that particular politician because of the extraordinary measures they've approved, or are trying to get approved... well, you don't get to bitch about what they didn't approve. Or... OMG, write a letter or use their webpage to send comments, and keep sending those comments. You'd be amazed at how quickly politicians can change their mind if it means many of their voters won't vote for them if they don't change their mind, or if its regarding a future vote, that the politician is suggested to vote accordingly or not get an individuals election vote.
This IS a country all about making the government work for the people. But the vast majority of the American populace is too damn lazy to make the system work for them, and has let it turn into a place where the people work for the government. Voter apathy at its finest. Everyone gets so damn lazy at election season, and just votes to get it done with. For shame. Voting is a privilege, and is meant to carry great weight. Communities need to start working together more often, petitions work when re-election is put on the block, or else we have no room to bitch when the government keeps making the most retarded of decisions.
Of course, politicians don't always care about re-election, they treat it as a bonus, and they get free-reign during the course of their term to vote how they see fit. However, we have the power to work that kind of kink out if we just lose the damn apathy, and those specific politicians won't have the majority vote if the rest of the politicians are fearful of re-election.
The populace of my country sickens me. I love this country, but most of the time I hate the populace. We are just so retarded and don't put a lot of care into anything, other than debating. Oh sure, we can debate and debate till we have an aneurysm, all about government policies, agendas, and whatever else just makes us tick - but seemingly so few of us actually put that same passion into voting. Our concept of voting is all about debating which candidate is the better choice, which often both of them aren't great at all. We put more effort into everything I said above, and we'll get candidates who are better. Or at least, each election just go with the new comer, and eventually the system will self-correct and we'll get better representation.
Many love to claim the system is flawed, but contrary to that, we are the flawed ones - the politicians just take advantage of that. No doubt, politicians can be sneaky bastards. But we can make them fearful and truly get them to work for us, to represent their people.
It is not unconstitutional. This year especially, but not excluding any other year where people spazz out about taxes, people love to claim that all of our taxes somehow fall into the constitutional protection against taxation without representation. Um... we are represented. We vote those people in.
Have issues with current taxation levels, and allocation of spending of our taxes? Take it up with your representatives. People love to cling to politicians because they vote some things that they like. What is with our population that they love to bitch when government does something wrong, and they realize their representative voted for those bill or agreed to that budget... yet turn their backs on that issue when it comes time to vote? I don't get it. Who cares how many damn things they voted for in Congress that you agreed with... if they voted for even one thing that just pissed you off like no other, and you view that as something that isn't lending to further progress in the government/country, don't vote for that individual! If everyone woke up and followed that advice, we'd have a lot of different people in government. And that'd give new politicians much more of a fighting chance at elections if the other candidates have all voted for bullshit.
Of course, if you don't want to go that route, and are too in line with that particular politician because of the extraordinary measures they've approved, or are trying to get approved... well, you don't get to bitch about what they didn't approve. Or... OMG, write a letter or use their webpage to send comments, and keep sending those comments. You'd be amazed at how quickly politicians can change their mind if it means many of their voters won't vote for them if they don't change their mind, or if its regarding a future vote, that the politician is suggested to vote accordingly or not get an individuals election vote.
This IS a country all about making the government work for the people. But the vast majority of the American populace is too damn lazy to make the system work for them, and has let it turn into a place where the people work for the government. Voter apathy at its finest. Everyone gets so damn lazy at election season, and just votes to get it done with. For shame. Voting is a privilege, and is meant to carry great weight. Communities need to start working together more often, petitions work when re-election is put on the block, or else we have no room to bitch when the government keeps making the most retarded of decisions.
Of course, politicians don't always care about re-election, they treat it as a bonus, and they get free-reign during the course of their term to vote how they see fit. However, we have the power to work that kind of kink out if we just lose the damn apathy, and those specific politicians won't have the majority vote if the rest of the politicians are fearful of re-election.
The populace of my country sickens me. I love this country, but most of the time I hate the populace. We are just so retarded and don't put a lot of care into anything, other than debating. Oh sure, we can debate and debate till we have an aneurysm, all about government policies, agendas, and whatever else just makes us tick - but seemingly so few of us actually put that same passion into voting. Our concept of voting is all about debating which candidate is the better choice, which often both of them aren't great at all. We put more effort into everything I said above, and we'll get candidates who are better. Or at least, each election just go with the new comer, and eventually the system will self-correct and we'll get better representation.
Many love to claim the system is flawed, but contrary to that, we are the flawed ones - the politicians just take advantage of that. No doubt, politicians can be sneaky bastards. But we can make them fearful and truly get them to work for us, to represent their people.
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