What is the bias in CNN, AP, MSNBC and BBC in terms of Middle East coverage? :: Also the value is Pi is exactly 3!

b0mbrman

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I'm trying to figure out the bias in each of these news sources...what would it be?

Do you think they'd be pro-US/Afghan, pro-Palestine/Israel, or fair all-around?

Also, sorry about the Pi thing. I just needed your attention for this...
 

gopunk

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i think the bbc is the least biased. i have a tremendous amount of respect for them. the others... well i just use them to get the news, i don't really listen to their commentary.
 

b0mbrman

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What about along political lines?

I know Foxnews is pretty damn conservative as would be CNN...the others, I'm not so sure about though
 

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I think that the BBC is pretty good.. I can't speak for the rest. Some of my Jewish mates think that the BBC is the most anti-Israeli of any broadcast media about.

I disagree with that.. they report what happens, whether the victims are Israeli or Palestinian.
 

b0mbrman

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I think that the BBC is pretty good.. I can't speak for the rest. Some of my Jewish mates think that the BBC is the most anti-Israeli of any broadcast media about.

Ha ha...they obviously haven't seen al-Ahram or the Jordan Times or any number of regional papers then.
 

Teatowel

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Agreed B0mbrman. It is just that they expected more from the BBC because of its international reputation, and people will believe something if the BBC reports it as it is thought of as a reliable source, as opposed to anything published in the Middle East.

 

b0mbrman

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True true, you can't help but expect them to be pretty biased in the Middle East. Though I wonder what al Jazeera's take on events is...too bad I can't read Arab.
 

Kelvrick

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<< Also, sorry about the Pi thing. I just needed your attention for this... >>


What do you think we are?! A bunch of computer geeks that would get worked up over that?!?!!

I outa smash you good!

*calm down, that insignificant lifeform means nothing. No need to call up the Everquest alliance on him...*

J/k. Me CS'er and SC'er for life
 

dullard

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There are three methods of reporting everything. Here is what I'd expect to hear:
1) Palestinians just killed 3 Israelis in a car bomb. (Typical of CNN, AP, and BBC: few to no opinions, almost all facts)

2) Palestinians just stupidly killed 3 with a car bomb. Our President, George W. Bush, the greatest president ever is against this tragedy. Contiuning Bush's string of perfect, flawless leadership he shows us that the suicide bombing will accomplish nothing, and we should react in this manner..... (Typical of MSNBC and Fox News: Includes facts but also lots of opinions with conservative bias).

3) Palestinians just stupidly killed 3 with a car bomb. Our President, George W. Bush, the worst president ever. Contiuning Bush's string of terrible leadership mistakes he thinks we should react in this manner... Of course this will accomplish nothing... (No major news sources that I get on cable have this type of bias: Includes facts but also lots of liberal bias in their opinions).

Of course you can put the bias in terms of pro-US/Afghan or pro-Palestine/Israel instead of the conservative/liberal that I described. To me I think news sources should have absolutely no opinions. Then there would be absolutely no bias...
 

somethingwitty

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CNN tends to come off as anti-israeli. It's not something you can always point at, but it's really one of those things that, as a jew, you are more likely to be sensitive to. Sometimes their coverage of suicide bombers contains an undertone of "they had it coming"-not trying to start the debate of whether they are indeed at fault (we've had that one in enough threads), just pointing out a news trend myself and many of my friends notice.
 

b0mbrman

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Of course you can put the bias in terms of pro-US/Afghan or pro-Palestine/Israel instead of the conservative/liberal that I described. To me I think news sources should have absolutely no opinions. Then there would be absolutely no bias...

So conservative news sources are more likely to be pro US/Israel and liberal news sources are more likely to be pro Afghanistan/Palestine?
 

b0mbrman

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There are three methods of reporting everything. Here is what I'd expect to hear:
1) Palestinians just killed 3 Israelis in a car bomb. (Typical of CNN, AP, and BBC: few to no opinions, almost all facts)


Do you think so? AP's really the one I haven't been able to pick an opinion about...of course, they're not a whole newspaper or media source so you really have to pick and choose what you want to read from them (or have your local paper choose)

Still, there must be some slant in their writing...
 

Cyberian

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<< CNN tends to come off as anti-israeli. It's not something you can always point at, but it's really one of those things that, as a jew, you are more likely to be sensitive to. Sometimes their coverage of suicide bombers contains an undertone of "they had it coming"-not trying to start the debate of whether they are indeed at fault (we've had that one in enough threads), just pointing out a news trend myself and many of my friends notice. >>

Do you think you would still hear the bias that way if you were Greek or Brazilian?
I only ask because I catch myself subconciuosly looking for bias in stories about certain groups (political, ethnic, whatever) in the news that I read and hear.
 

dullard

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<< So conservative news sources are more likely to be pro US/Israel and liberal news sources are more likely to be pro Afghanistan/Palestine? >>



That isn't what I meant my post to sound like. Instead think of it this way: News sources that include opinions are much more likely to have a bias. That bias could be either way. To me, the best news sources have very few opinions, thus they have very little bias.

Take this 'news' story as an example:
1) Opinion free: Local dog eats cat.
2) Opinion free: Local dog eats cat. Cat's owners are heartbroken.
3) Opinion free: Local dog eats cat. Dog's owners are ticketed.
4) Opinionated: Local dog eats cat. Cat's owners deserved that for letting their cat loose in the streets.
5) Opinionated: Local dog eats cat. Dog's owners deserve to be ticketed for letting their dog loose in the streets.

News stories 1-3 are all acceptable. Stories 4-5 are not acceptable (in my opinion) since they show obvious opinion and thus bias. The main problem is that dog owners will THINK #2 and #3 are biased towards cat owners since it shows dogs in a bad light and cats in a good light. This is where Somethingwitty finds CNN to sound biased when looking at undertones. The following isn't a biased statement:

"If Isreal bombs Palestine, then later Palestine will likely bomb Isreal in revenge."

It sure sounds biased to Jews - Isreal 'had it coming'. Unfortunately Somethingwitty ignores statements like this:

"If Palestine bombs Isreal, then later Israel will likely bomb Palestine in revenge."

I call this 'looking through rose colored glasses'. People tend to remember some news that shows them in a bad light and people tend to forget the news that shows them in a good light.
 

khtm

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wtf? the value of Pi is NOT exactly 3!!!
what kind of crack are you smoking!!!








(j/k) ;)
I don't watch TV, so I can't comment on your "real" post topic.
 

MustPost

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damn that Pi is exactly 3 thing worked in attracting me here.
Oh well, im not going to say anything useful anyways :)
 

Passner

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somethingwitty, I do agree with what you are saying about CNN, there is something that seems a bit off to me. I stick to FoxNews and MSNBC, and go online for most of the rest of the news.
And like CNN, I feel the BBC may be a tad biased, but that is coming from a mere 2 weeks of viewing, plus I may just hold them to a high standard, because they are the Beeb.
 

vailr

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somethingwitty

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<< << CNN tends to come off as anti-israeli. It's not something you can always point at, but it's really one of those things that, as a jew, you are more likely to be sensitive to. Sometimes their coverage of suicide bombers contains an undertone of "they had it coming"-not trying to start the debate of whether they are indeed at fault (we've had that one in enough threads), just pointing out a news trend myself and many of my friends notice. >>

Do you think you would still hear the bias that way if you were Greek or Brazilian?
I only ask because I catch myself subconciuosly looking for bias in stories about certain groups (political, ethnic, whatever) in the news that I read and hear.
>>



As this post and dullard's point out, yes, the view I have is in itself biased. Although I believe that admitting you have a bias helps, it of course does not overcome any natural feelings you may have.

Notice that, in my initial post, I pretty much said that it's something a jew would be sensitive to (as far as this particular topic goes). Perhaps I should clarify in light of dullard's "news" story; if I truly dont have any initial views about an issue stories 1-3 are fine, 4-5 are attempting to change my mind before I've made it up for myself-however, there arent many major issues that I either dont care about or dont form a quick decision on based on my own values. I believe everyone is like that-I mean, I claim to be open minded, I make an effort, but, realistically, I'm not. Additionally, I dont want to generalize *everything*, but I'd say a large majority of articles fall into #'s 4 or 5, either by outright stating something or by omiting key and *obvious* details. And that brings us full circle-what's obvious, and to who?

My point is, unbiased articles are rare if even possible. You just try to read from enough sources to balance out the biases. Any article that summarizes an issue a person is knowledgable on and has an opinion on will invoke some feeling-ranging from complete agreement to complete wonder as to how they could be so "biased". In the case that I specifically pointed out (CNN), I'll be blunt-the problem (for many jews) is that too many of their articles are either #2/#3 (leaving out the fact that those damn palestines are at it again and should all be killed-not to that extent, but you get my point) or #4/#5 ("blaming" israel, quoting the palestinian side more, etc).

To summarize my rather rambling post-as a jew, I tend to feel that CNN's coverage is "too soft" on the palestines. I'm sure there a couple of people who feel that CNN ought to be explaining the logic behind the suicide attacks more. CNN makes my list because, honestly, it's towards the top of many jews' lists (not that I cant think for myself-but it *does* reinforce what I suspect). If someone could ever prove to me that an equal percentage of palestines who read CNN feel that it is biased in favor of the jews I would take it off the list.

Hope all that makes sense-just my attempt to explain that yes, i have a bias-just like everyone else.
 

b0mbrman

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I think it's possible to prove any bias within the mass media. Remember that fiasco when people argued that Jews controlled the media? Yikes!