WHAT IS THE BEST VIDEO CARD FOR GAMING

[us3rnotfound]

The Radeon VE is a nice option

 

[BFG10K]

Some of you appear to have forgotten that nVidia has been proven to be cheating and that more and more cheats are being exposed every day. In the tests so far when the cheats are disabled the 5900 cannot match a 9800 Pro's performance.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
Some of you appear to have forgotten that nVidia has been proven to be cheating and that more and more cheats are being exposed every day. In the tests so far when the cheats are disabled the 5900 cannot match a 9800 Pro's performance.

ati cheats part 1
ati cheats part 2

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[Cesar]

It doesn't matter which card you buy, whatever buy what you want. I have the Sapphire Radeon 9500 Pro oc 400/660mhz and I love it both Nvidia and Ati are great companies
both make excellent produce. Just make your own choice bro

 

[dakels]

Originally posted by: Cesar
It doesn't matter which card you buy, whatever buy what you want. I have the Sapphire Radeon 9500 Pro oc <STRONG>400/660mhz</STRONG> and I love it both Nvidia and Ati are great companies
both make excellent produce. Just make your own choice bro

Holy crap! you have a 9500 Pro running 400/660??? A 9800 Pro stock is 380/680. Thats just amazing.

edit: I thought you said 440 but still, 400 is still rediculously amazing. Most people would be happy to get their 9500 to 325mhz (R9700 Pro speed)

 

[sep]

Originally posted by: Cesar
It doesn't matter which card you buy, whatever buy what you want. I have the Sapphire Radeon 9500 Pro oc <STRONG>400/660mhz</STRONG> and I love it both Nvidia and Ati are great companies
both make excellent produce. Just make your own choice bro

Tell us how oh mighty....A pic if your doing anything extreme please!

 

[BFG10K]

ati cheats part 1

I'm sorry but the Quack fiasco has strong evidence to suggest it was a genuine driver bug, especially since only five textures were affected. Also newer drivers not only fixed the issue but also improved performance too. OTOH if you disable nVidia's cheats it often cuts their framerate in half.

Ati cheats part 2

Application specific checking is not a cheat if the output is exactly the same as required by the developer and shuffling code around to optimise for an architecture is definitely not cheating.

You need to learn the definition of what a true cheat is and how it relates to all of the discoveries made thus far in all of the vendors' drivers.

the only people you can trust

You mean I can get a card for $400 that runs slower than a $99 Radeon 8500? Sign me up right now.

And don't even get me started on the worthless FAA, the limit of anisotropic filtering to only 2x (what the hell is this? 1999 or something?) and the colour banding problems that people are experiencing.

 

[Mem]

Some of you appear to have forgotten that nVidia has been proven to be cheating and that more and more cheats are being exposed every day. In the tests so far when the cheats are disabled the 5900 cannot match a 9800 Pro's performance.

So what are you saying stick with ATi? I don`t know about you but I like choices,without both ATi & Nvidia around we would be in a sorry state.

The benchmark cheats have been posted so many times now it`s a joke,bottom line is I buy video cards to play games and if I get 100% stability I`m happy .
Btw I`m not saying Nvidia is perfect,but don`t fool yourself thinking ATi is perfect too,in the end we have choices and competition which`s what we have & need.

Both Nvidia and ATI have two very good cards(5900U & 9800 Pro)in the end it`s really a personal choice.

 

[Schadenfroh]

ati cheats part 1
I'm sorry but the Quack fiasco has strong evidence to suggest it was a genuine driver bug

A driver bug that only starts when the executable is named quake3, and does not happen when called quaff?

Application specific checking is not a cheat if the output is exactly the same as required by the developer and shuffling code around to optimise for an architecture is definitely not cheating.

So nvidia does not cheat?

And don't even get me started on the worthless FAA

anand says differant

You can see that the Parhelia offers the best setting from an image quality stand point

the limit of anisotropic filtering to only 2x

anand discusses Matrox AF

the Parhelia and GeForce4 are fairly close

and the AF on my geforce4 is Excellent

and as drivers get better, fewer problems/better performance, as with all cards.

i guess i am the only matrox fanboy here, heh

 

[whitetiger]

yeah..9800 pro 256MB..

 

[BFG10K]

A driver bug that only starts when the executable is named quake3, and does not happen when called quaff?

Application specific checks are not necessarily cheats and if you had even the most basic understanding of software optimisation you'd know this.

So nvidia does not cheat?

Shader substitution?
Ignoring precision settings?
Static clip planes?
Ignoring anisotropic filtering requests?

They're cheating. Like I said before, you should probably do a little reasearch before trying to get into arguments about the issues.

anand says differant

Do you even know what FAA is and how it compares to the other methods of AA? Do you realise that FAA does absolutely nothing to address texture aliasing or shimmering, or in fact anything within polygons? And that it also has artifacts in a lot of games?

anand discusses Matrox AF

Good for him. Where does he deny that the Parhelia is limited to 2x? Oh that's right, he doesn't. So what precisely is your point?

the Parhelia and GeForce4 are fairly close and the AF on my geforce4 is Excellent

OMG.

This is so comical I can't believe it.

I have never seen such a ridiculously clueless interpretation of a comment ever made.

You are aware that there are different settings for anisotropic filtering right? And that the GeForce4 was purposely set to the lowest value to match the Parhelia, right?

They might look the same but you forgot the not so minute detail that the GF4 can be set to four times the sampling level of the Parhelia and that the Radeon can go up to eight times the sampling rate. Did you even look at the Radeon's screenshot (which Anand got wrong in his comparison anyway as he didn't understand the difference between the settings)?

and as drivers get better, fewer problems/better performance, as with all cards.

No, they will not "fix" the issues I mentioned because the problems exist at the hardware level.

i guess i am the only matrox fanboy here, heh

Fanboy or no fanboy, one can only come to the conclusion that you've been living under a rock for the past six months.

 

[Cesar]

Originally posted by: dakels

Originally posted by: Cesar It doesn't matter which card you buy, whatever buy what you want. I have the Sapphire Radeon 9500 Pro oc 400/660mhz and I love it both Nvidia and Ati are great companies both make excellent produce. Just make your own choice bro

Holy crap! you have a 9500 Pro running 400/660??? A 9800 Pro stock is 380/680. Thats just amazing. edit: I thought you said 440 but still, 400 is still rediculously amazing. Most people would be happy to get their 9500 to 325mhz (R9700 Pro speed)

I am amazed by my results to I have a lucky chip thats all. But I do have a Smart Case fan 2 blowing on it in my Antec plusview 1000amg case. But I would like to install a better hsf on my GPU any ideas?

 

[Cesar]

Originally posted by: sep

Originally posted by: Cesar It doesn't matter which card you buy, whatever buy what you want. I have the Sapphire Radeon 9500 Pro oc 400/660mhz and I love it both Nvidia and Ati are great companies both make excellent produce. Just make your own choice bro

Tell us how oh mighty....A pic if your doing anything extreme please!

I am not doing anything extreme right now but I would like to have a monster cooling on my Radeon 9500 Pro

 

[Mem]

Performance: Whenever you?re dealing with a card based on the GeForce FX 5900 Ultra, you know it?s going to be a performer. Performance against ATI?s latest and greatest is really neck-and-neck, with each card winning its fair share of benchmarks

Link ,as I said you can`t go wrong with either .

 

[dakels]

Originally posted by: Cesar

Originally posted by: sep

Originally posted by: Cesar It doesn't matter which card you buy, whatever buy what you want. I have the Sapphire Radeon 9500 Pro oc <STRONG>400/660mhz</STRONG> and I love it both Nvidia and Ati are great companies both make excellent produce. Just make your own choice bro

Tell us how oh mighty....A pic if your doing anything extreme please!

I am not doing anything extreme right now but I would like to have a monster cooling on my Radeon 9500 Pro

what OC utility/method did you use to push it that far? I assume a softmod then something like powerstrip or the like?
as for GPU coolrs, I hear good things about both the vantec and thermaltake vga active(HF+Fan) coolers. I don't know how much difference over the stock Radeon cooler it is though. The reviews I saw were based on a geforce cooler/card. They got about 3-5ºC cooler then stock which is nice but not ground breaking. Again, havent seen any reviews/benchmarks with Radeon 9500/9700/9800 compared to base cooling. I'd consider it on my R9800 but I think it's cooling is already pretty good. Looks good enough visually

 

[solofly]

This is the best video card for games... (it even beats my 9800p)

http://firingsquad.gamers.com/hardware/evga_e-geforce_fx_5900_ultra_review/default.asp

 

[Wurrmm]

IMO 9800 Pro and 5900 Ultra are neck and neck with no clear winner. Both have goods and bads. 9800 pro has better AA, but 5900 Ultra is more future proof and alittle faster is some cases. Both have practially the same AS quality and IMO the 5900 Ultra is alittle more future proof. Personally, I want a 256meg card, but I would rather stick to more reliable DDR-I. That may sound dumb to some, but I just don't trust DDR-II quite yet and I am gona wait for the next gen cards before I make that plunge.

 

[Cesar]

Originally posted by: dakels

Originally posted by: Cesar

Originally posted by: sep

Originally posted by: Cesar It doesn't matter which card you buy, whatever buy what you want. I have the Sapphire Radeon 9500 Pro oc 400/660mhz and I love it both Nvidia and Ati are great companies both make excellent produce. Just make your own choice bro

Tell us how oh mighty....A pic if your doing anything extreme please!

I am not doing anything extreme right now but I would like to have a monster cooling on my Radeon 9500 Pro

what OC utility/method did you use to push it that far? I assume a softmod then something like powerstrip or the like? as for GPU coolrs, I hear good things about both the vantec and thermaltake vga active(HF+Fan) coolers. I don't know how much difference over the stock Radeon cooler it is though. The reviews I saw were based on a geforce cooler/card. They got about 3-5ºC cooler then stock which is nice but not ground breaking. Again, havent seen any reviews/benchmarks with Radeon 9500/9700/9800 compared to base cooling. I'd consider it on my R9800 but I think it's cooling is already pretty good. Looks good enough visually

RivaTuner Link

I don't think vantec or Thermaltake have good coolers for the Radeon 9500/9700/9800 series cards what about the Zalman ZM80A-HP ?

 

[dakels]

heh... your rivatuner link comes up with some pop up blocker or something
http://download.startsurfing.com/

no matter I know where to get it and I already have powerstrip too. Did you softmod the card at all to a R9700 or 9800 bios?

 

[dakels]

The Zalman HP80 is a passive heat sink. It will do worse for cooling then your Radeon stock cooler. The only benefit of it is that its great for passive (fanless) silent cooling. Active (fan) cooling will get you farther. Every benchmark I have seen for the Zalman HP80 showed higher core temps by 3-5ºC then stock, fan cooled set ups. It also takes up an enourmous about of space.

here I just found this review which proves my point.

 

[Cesar]

Originally posted by: dakels
heh... your rivatuner link comes up with some pop up blocker or something http://download.startsurfing.com/ no matter I know where to get it and I already have powerstrip too. Did you softmod the card at all to a R9700 or 9800 bios?

no I didn't softmod the card I don't think it is possible to turn a Radeon 9500 Pro into a 9800!

 

[Cesar]

Originally posted by: dakels
The Zalman HP80 is a passive heat sink. It will do worse for cooling then your Radeon stock cooler. The only benefit of it is that its great for passive (fanless) silent cooling. Active (fan) cooling will get you farther. Every benchmark I have seen for the Zalman HP80 showed higher core temps by 3-5ºC then stock, fan cooled set ups. It also takes up an enourmous about of space. here I just found this review which proves my point.

I will try to make my own cooling solution by installing a P3 heatsink on the GPU or copper server heatsink what do you think?

 

[dakels]

thats one of the big reasons people buy the 9500 series cards, so they can softmod them to run like 9700 even 9800. Decent chance to get to 9700 speeds, slim chance to get to 9800 speeds but it looks like you're aready there and beyond if you're running 400mhz. My real 9800 runs 325mhz although I have been able to get it to 425mhz from powerstrip but I am not going to run it OC'd until my new Thermaltake Xaser III case comes in (7 case fans)... the case and Gigabyte 8KNXP motherboard just came in today (man it weighs a ton!)

As for the P3 heatsink on the R9500. The 9500's mounting brackets won't fit the CPU cooler you have. I assume you know you just have to mount it manually with adhesve thermal paste like arctic silver thermal adhesive/alumina. Alot of active VGA coolers though are knockoffs of CPU coolers anyways like TT's golden Orb and TT's VGA orb. I just think they are a little smaller to fit. I don't know much about custom video card cooling so I can't say much here. I'd assume a CPU cooler with a larger heat spreader and larger fan would work better then a stock VGA cooler, provided you can mount it securely.

good luck

 

[WA261]

Originally posted by: Cesar

Originally posted by: dakels
heh... your rivatuner link comes up with some pop up blocker or something http://download.startsurfing.com/ no matter I know where to get it and I already have powerstrip too. Did you softmod the card at all to a R9700 or 9800 bios?

no I didn't softmod the card I don't think it is possible to turn a Radeon 9500 Pro into a 9800!

it isnt...people love to think they can though..

 

[Pete]

9800P, IMO. The AIW 9800P is also a nice choice if you need a TV tuner, but I'd imagine it gets pretty hot, and it only has one monitor output.

The 5900 is also up there, but I still think the 9800P is a better card. I wouldn't pay an extra 25% for the 256MB version of either card--128MB seems to be enough for both the 5900 and 9800P in almost every benchmark, even at 1600x1200 w/4xAA, where the cards should be using about 90MB's RAM only for the framebuffer, leaving only about 40MB's for textures.