Originally posted by: ming2000
i didnt read too much about the best combo for conroe, I know conroe might have better performance than AMD X2, but after consider the price of both cpu and mb, is conroe still the winner?
Originally posted by: ming2000
i didnt read too much about the best combo for conroe, I know conroe might have better performance than AMD X2, but after consider the price of both cpu and mb, is conroe still the winner?
Originally posted by: OcHungry
Originally posted by: ming2000
i didnt read too much about the best combo for conroe, I know conroe might have better performance than AMD X2, but after consider the price of both cpu and mb, is conroe still the winner?
I have 4400 x2 and Asrock dual Sata motherboard. total = $300. I have overclocked 4400 to 2.8-2.9ghz. below is my cinebench and 3dmark3 w/ 7600GT. The BFG 7600 GT sells for $115 after rebate. Buy 2 and an SLI board (additional $150) and your 3dmark score will shoot up to 25000-28000. I say AMD will give you more for your money considering above setup.
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1479/09182006051858bh1.jpg
Originally posted by: dexvx
Core2-E6300 ($180ish retail)
Gigabyte DS3 ($140ish)
Not so O/C'able (maybe 25%) 945p board ($100ish)
Total = $320ish or $280ish
AM2 x2-3800 ($140ish retail)
Decent AM2 Overclocking board ($100ish)
Total = $240ish
Originally posted by: dexvx
Core2-E6300 ($180ish retail)
Gigabyte DS3 ($140ish)
Not so O/C'able (maybe 25%) 945p board ($100ish)
Total = $320ish or $280ish
AM2 x2-3800 ($140ish retail)
Decent AM2 Overclocking board ($100ish)
Total = $240ish
Misinformation is your habit isnt it?Originally posted by: harpoon84
Originally posted by: ming2000
i didnt read too much about the best combo for conroe, I know conroe might have better performance than AMD X2, but after consider the price of both cpu and mb, is conroe still the winner?
It depends what chips from AMD and Intel you are comparing.
C2D's overclocked will be 30 - 40% faster than X2s overclocked based on average overclocks (C2D @ ~3.5GHz vs X2 @ ~2.8GHz for example).
It also depends what you intend to use your PC for. If it's a lot of multimedia encoding or rendering then C2D will be noticeably faster. If it is mainly for gaming then the difference will vary from game to game - some will see almost no improvement as they will be GPU limited, others that scale with CPU speed will show a substantial improvement. Note that if your budget is tight, it is usually better to spend more on the GPU than the CPU. Keep that in mind if you are a gamer.
I'm aware of the possibility that the poster above me (OcHungry) will try to tell you that C2D doesn't scale with overclocking. He has been proven wrong many times, but if you choose to believe him that is your prorogative.
Originally posted by: ming2000
the gigabyte one is intel chip, so i cannot use sli, or crossfire, any reasonable good mb that support either of them would be over $200, will these mb be as cheap as AMD ones? i dont see a reason why they are freaky expensive?
what 4400 do you have? is it a 89w or 110w? most of the 89watts get 2.7ghz on the lower end and 2.8ghz on the average. sometimes It's not the cpu that is holding you up. It could be the board, the memory or power supply.Originally posted by: Zenoth
Originally posted by: OcHungry
Originally posted by: ming2000
i didnt read too much about the best combo for conroe, I know conroe might have better performance than AMD X2, but after consider the price of both cpu and mb, is conroe still the winner?
I have 4400 x2 and Asrock dual Sata motherboard. total = $300. I have overclocked 4400 to 2.8-2.9ghz. below is my cinebench and 3dmark3 w/ 7600GT. The BFG 7600 GT sells for $115 after rebate. Buy 2 and an SLI board (additional $150) and your 3dmark score will shoot up to 25000-28000. I say AMD will give you more for your money considering above setup.
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1479/09182006051858bh1.jpg
I can only over-clock mine at 2.4 Ghz, it becomes un-stable at 2.5, and 2.6 won't POST. Tried a lot of things, for a long time.
Not all 4400+ will over-clock like yours.
Personally I wouldn't take that risk. I'd just go with one of the Core 2 Duo models instead, which you don't need to over-clock to get what's it's worth in your pocket.
Originally posted by: OcHungry
Misinformation is your habit isnt it?Originally posted by: harpoon84
Originally posted by: ming2000
i didnt read too much about the best combo for conroe, I know conroe might have better performance than AMD X2, but after consider the price of both cpu and mb, is conroe still the winner?
It depends what chips from AMD and Intel you are comparing.
C2D's overclocked will be 30 - 40% faster than X2s overclocked based on average overclocks (C2D @ ~3.5GHz vs X2 @ ~2.8GHz for example).
It also depends what you intend to use your PC for. If it's a lot of multimedia encoding or rendering then C2D will be noticeably faster. If it is mainly for gaming then the difference will vary from game to game - some will see almost no improvement as they will be GPU limited, others that scale with CPU speed will show a substantial improvement. Note that if your budget is tight, it is usually better to spend more on the GPU than the CPU. Keep that in mind if you are a gamer.
I'm aware of the possibility that the poster above me (OcHungry) will try to tell you that C2D doesn't scale with overclocking. He has been proven wrong many times, but if you choose to believe him that is your prorogative.
Show me a conroe that is 30 to 40% better performer than a X2 4400.
are you saying that a e6400 can overclock to 3.5 ghz (a 65% overclock) and give you 30-40% better performance than a A64 x2 @ 2.8ghz (FX62 level)?
prove it.
Show me a $230 core 2 that is 30-40% better performer than a A64 x2 of the same price range.
To OP: thses 2 posters (cmdredd and harpoon) have been roaming around net promoting Intel junks. Probably both work for Intel. Dont beleve a word they say. Do your own search and if any one say 30%-40% know they are misleading you. check around the review sites and dont be fooled by these intel pushers.
Intel spent enormous amount money for conroe ads. I am sure there are plenty intel junkies here and everywhere dressed as ligit members. be careful.
Its funny how much intel has to spend in advertizing and marketing for the junks they sell. You never see an AMD ad on TV do you?
let me get this straight, are you saying a single 7900GTX can beat 3dmark3 of 35000?Originally posted by: dexvx
Originally posted by: ming2000
the gigabyte one is intel chip, so i cannot use sli, or crossfire, any reasonable good mb that support either of them would be over $200, will these mb be as cheap as AMD ones? i dont see a reason why they are freaky expensive?
I'm not going into the whole XFire/SLi debate. Unless you plan on using the top video cards immediately, then you shouldnt use XFire/SLi period. Buying a mediocre card like a 7600GT and then adding another one later down the road is just idiotic, from a price/performance and performance/watt PoV. A single 7900GS will spank a 7600GT SLi and be cheaper down the line for an upgrade as well (and conversely a single 7900GTX will spank a 7900GS SLi).
However, that said if you do plan on SLi/XFire the top cards, best one I can recommend is the Abit Aw9D-Max. Its one of the few boards that includes an SLi bridge (using modded drivers you CAN run SLi on it).
Originally posted by: OcHungry
let me get this straight, are you saying a single 7900GTX can beat 3dmark3 of 35000?Originally posted by: dexvx
Originally posted by: ming2000
the gigabyte one is intel chip, so i cannot use sli, or crossfire, any reasonable good mb that support either of them would be over $200, will these mb be as cheap as AMD ones? i dont see a reason why they are freaky expensive?
I'm not going into the whole XFire/SLi debate. Unless you plan on using the top video cards immediately, then you shouldnt use XFire/SLi period. Buying a mediocre card like a 7600GT and then adding another one later down the road is just idiotic, from a price/performance and performance/watt PoV. A single 7900GS will spank a 7600GT SLi and be cheaper down the line for an upgrade as well (and conversely a single 7900GTX will spank a 7900GS SLi).
However, that said if you do plan on SLi/XFire the top cards, best one I can recommend is the Abit Aw9D-Max. Its one of the few boards that includes an SLi bridge (using modded drivers you CAN run SLi on it).
I have seen 7600GT in SLI do between 20000 to 35000 where as 7900GTX highest to be 21802 (in 3dmark3). Check it for yourself. The 7600GT in SLI will cost $230 whereas a 7900GTX is around $400. It seams the 7600GT in SLI is a better buy.
I did look at edm06 and saw 6000-7000 for 7600GT in SLI and below 6000 for 7900GTX.Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Originally posted by: OcHungry
let me get this straight, are you saying a single 7900GTX can beat 3dmark3 of 35000?Originally posted by: dexvx
Originally posted by: ming2000
the gigabyte one is intel chip, so i cannot use sli, or crossfire, any reasonable good mb that support either of them would be over $200, will these mb be as cheap as AMD ones? i dont see a reason why they are freaky expensive?
I'm not going into the whole XFire/SLi debate. Unless you plan on using the top video cards immediately, then you shouldnt use XFire/SLi period. Buying a mediocre card like a 7600GT and then adding another one later down the road is just idiotic, from a price/performance and performance/watt PoV. A single 7900GS will spank a 7600GT SLi and be cheaper down the line for an upgrade as well (and conversely a single 7900GTX will spank a 7900GS SLi).
However, that said if you do plan on SLi/XFire the top cards, best one I can recommend is the Abit Aw9D-Max. Its one of the few boards that includes an SLi bridge (using modded drivers you CAN run SLi on it).
I have seen 7600GT in SLI do between 20000 to 35000 where as 7900GTX highest to be 21802 (in 3dmark3). Check it for yourself. The 7600GT in SLI will cost $230 whereas a 7900GTX is around $400. It seams the 7600GT in SLI is a better buy.
Too bad you didn't look at the CPUs used. C2D systems at 4Ghz+
Generally that's not reasonable. Becides, who compared 3Dmark03 anymore? Use 06 because it relates to current generation games.
Originally posted by: OcHungry
Misinformation is your habit isnt it?Originally posted by: harpoon84
Originally posted by: ming2000
i didnt read too much about the best combo for conroe, I know conroe might have better performance than AMD X2, but after consider the price of both cpu and mb, is conroe still the winner?
It depends what chips from AMD and Intel you are comparing.
C2D's overclocked will be 30 - 40% faster than X2s overclocked based on average overclocks (C2D @ ~3.5GHz vs X2 @ ~2.8GHz for example).
It also depends what you intend to use your PC for. If it's a lot of multimedia encoding or rendering then C2D will be noticeably faster. If it is mainly for gaming then the difference will vary from game to game - some will see almost no improvement as they will be GPU limited, others that scale with CPU speed will show a substantial improvement. Note that if your budget is tight, it is usually better to spend more on the GPU than the CPU. Keep that in mind if you are a gamer.
I'm aware of the possibility that the poster above me (OcHungry) will try to tell you that C2D doesn't scale with overclocking. He has been proven wrong many times, but if you choose to believe him that is your prorogative.
Show me a conroe that is 30 to 40% better performer than a X2 4400.
are you saying that a e6400 can overclock to 3.5 ghz (a 65% overclock) and give you 30-40% better performance than a A64 x2 @ 2.8ghz (FX62 level)?
prove it.
Show me a $230 core 2 that is 30-40% better performer than a A64 x2 of the same price range.
To OP: thses 2 posters (cmdredd and harpoon) have been roaming around net promoting Intel junks. Probably both work for Intel. Dont beleve a word they say. Do your own search and if any one say 30%-40% know they are misleading you. check around the review sites and dont be fooled by these intel pushers.
Intel spent enormous amount money for conroe ads. I am sure there are plenty intel junkies here and everywhere dressed as ligit members. be careful.
Its funny how much intel has to spend in advertizing and marketing for the junks they sell. You never see an AMD ad on TV do you?
Originally posted by: River Side
any fool recommending an AMD X2 over a C2D for new users is not worth listening to. Upgrades are another story altogether..
Originally posted by: Viditor
Originally posted by: River Side
any fool recommending an AMD X2 over a C2D for new users is not worth listening to. Upgrades are another story altogether..
I disagree...I think theChase had the wisest things to say on this whole thread.
It all depends on the pricepoint your at...
In the low end, it's AMD...and in both the mid and high end it's Intel.