What is the aim of evolution?

[Vic]

Just my $0.02, there is no distinction between mind and body. The mind is part of the body.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: dingnecros
So what is the ultimate aim of evolution? to make physically adept or to make mentally adept variants of species ??

Life evolves to better fit changing environments, because the life that is better adapted tends to survive, whereas the life that's not adapted tends not to. That's it. That's all there is to it.

But you created this thread just to troll, so you won't accept that, won't you?

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: dingnecros

Originally posted by: BlackTigers91
there is no evolution.

god put us here

so that brings me to another paradox. God definitely does not want us to abuse our bodies and think on a higher plane. That means that he/she wants to improve the mind. A person who can think logically will always question the logic behind god and that means he doubts the very existence of god. Since god favors logical thinkers it means that god himself does not want people to believe in him/her ??

Or maybe He believes in Free Choice?

 

[bignateyk]

lol. If anything, humans are de-evolving. Think about how many people with physical and mental disabilities are able to procreate now that would have been wiped out of the gene pool years ago? There is no such thing as "good" genes anymore. It's just a clusterfuck of breeding now.

 

[Eli]

I'm sure its been said, but neither.

The aim of evolution is to survive.

Fortunately, the advance of both mind and muscle promotes survival.

 

[DangerAardvark]

I wish we were stupider, then maybe we could have crazy strength like monkeys. I'd be tossing Honda Civics around and punching Grizzly bears in the face. Well... assuming we had invented cars at all.

 

[imported_Imp]

First thing they teach you in biological anthropology: envolution is not directional. Whoever the hell lives or dies depends on the environment or who threw the shit on the fan.

 

[zinfamous]

evolution aims for nothing. putting human-based concepts of goal achieving towards a natural process is a bit fallacious.

mistakes happen in evolution, and that's how it works.

In fact, evolution is currently proceeding to replace Kansas.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: dingnecros
Was seeing some video regrading the evolution/religion bull crap and a question came to my mind.

"Does evolution aim to evolve the brain or does evolution aim to to evolve the body?"

If survival of the fittest theory is applied then it means that evolution aims to evolve the body, but if concept of technologically/mentally advanced species is taken into account as in sci-fi movies, literature and aliens then most of them involve abilities associated with higher functions of the brain.

So what is the ultimate aim of evolution? to make physically adept or to make mentally adept variants of species ??

Basically the lowest class, dumbest, dirtiest lowlife mongrels have more kids than rich, educated people. They're spamming the world with people. That is where evolution is going.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

evolution is no longer relevant, technology is the future

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee


What's this called? Anthropomorphizing?

an·thro·po·mor·phism (nthr-p-môrfzm)
n.
Attribution of human motivation, characteristics, or behavior to inanimate objects, animals, or natural phenomena.

Even that idea is flawed.

People tend to claim that certain motivations, characteristics, or behaviors are "human" when in fact they're shared by all kinds of animals.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee


What's this called? Anthropomorphizing?

an·thro·po·mor·phism (nthr-p-môrfzm)
n.
Attribution of human motivation, characteristics, or behavior to inanimate objects, animals, or natural phenomena.

Even that idea is flawed.

People tend to claim that certain motivations, characteristics, or behaviors are "human" when in fact they're shared by all kinds of animals.

I bolded the salient point for the issue at hand

 

[imported_Baloo]

It is neither one nor the other. Stop thinking like that. It's whatever feature (i.e. longer 3rd toe, shorter hair, increased range of motion of the thumb etc.), however minor, gives a survival advantage. Since brain power pretty much always gives a survival advantage, there is a tendency to greater intelligence over time. But evolution does not make choices on what comes about, just works with what has come about. Changes are brought primarily by random mutation. There's no way to plan for random mutation.

 

[Throckmorton]

There's no aim. More offspring = better fitness. That's all there is to it.

 

[PowerEngineer]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
There's no aim. More offspring = better fitness. That's all there is to it.

Closest to the truth IMHO. Evolution does not favor survival as measured in years of existance, it favors procreation. Those that survive long enough to procreate "early and often" are the winners.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Vic
Just my $0.02, there is no distinction between mind and body. The mind is part of the body.

The brain is part of the body. The mind resides within the brain as a function of interactions between neurons.

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: dingnecros
Was seeing some video regrading the evolution/religion bull crap and a question came to my mind.

"Does evolution aim to evolve the brain or does evolution aim to to evolve the body?"

If survival of the fittest theory is applied then it means that evolution aims to evolve the body, but if concept of technologically/mentally advanced species is taken into account as in sci-fi movies, literature and aliens then most of them involve abilities associated with higher functions of the brain.

So what is the ultimate aim of evolution? to make physically adept or to make mentally adept variants of species ??

Basically the lowest class, dumbest, dirtiest lowlife mongrels have more kids than rich, educated people. They're spamming the world with people. That is where evolution is going.

Yup, I know a family back near where my parents live. Not a very bright bunch, either. A good redneck style family too - the son who was my age, as soon as he could drive, he got a pickup truck with a loud exhaust system, which he put on those raised suspension things to make it look like a monster truck, or something like that. The Confederate flag on his baseball cap completed the look.
I think that the parents had sex in the hospital right after each baby was delivered, they had at least 10 kids. Most times if I'd see the family out while I was driving to work, they were all working on the farm - the parents weren't raising kids, they were growing a workforce.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: bignateyk
lol. If anything, humans are de-evolving. Think about how many people with physical and mental disabilities are able to procreate now that would have been wiped out of the gene pool years ago? There is no such thing as "good" genes anymore. It's just a clusterfuck of breeding now.

trust me, disabled folks don't pick up chicks

 

[Safeway]

<--- P&N&R.

 

[GasX]

It is simply survival of those able to pass on their genes. It is not an optimization scheme. If a strange mutation caused a 2 day old baby to spew mutant sperm out of his ass that fertilized women through their skin, it would matter if the kid was ugly, stupid or doomed to die at the age of 4 days.

 

[Martin]

You need to read this: http://www.amazon.com/Blind-Wa...Universe/dp/0393315703

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: Vic
Just my $0.02, there is no distinction between mind and body. The mind is part of the body.

Stupidity hall of fame. You can have your two cents back. I'll give you four if you never post again.

 

[ppdes]

Stupidity can make you more fit. A group of stupid people can be tricked into working together and killing other groups quite easily by threatening that your imaginary friend will torture them forever if they don't follow the group's rules. That group working together may be more survivable than a group of smarter individuals who demand evidence and don't have fanatical reasons to oppose others.

 

[nageov3t]

evolution was set in motion by alien beings millions of years ago to eventually prepare us to face the armies of Xenu when the galactic war reaches our doorsteps.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: dingnecros

Originally posted by: Aflac
evolution doesn't "aim" to do anything. Learn more about natural selection please.

so if I understand you right then you are saying that evolution is aimless ?

I think every process has an aim, because without aim there is chaos. Even a fire in the oil storage tanker has an aim. Sure it seems chaotic but Its aim is to burn until there is no fuel left....

Learn thermodynamics. The ultimate goal of everything IS chaos. Except we call it "entropy".

No, processes do NOT have an "aim". There is a driving force behind many processes, but that doesn't mean that it's directed.

Evolution just says that traits which survive get passed on, and as such the pool of available traits shifts over time, usually to make the organism more likely to survive or at least produce more offspring. This is a natural phenomenon (hence "natural selection"). However, if a freak forest fire happens to kill off all the smartest, strongest, and fastest members of a species, evolution doesn't sit there in frustration because its goals were thwarted. It has no mind, no plan, no purpose, it just is.

Originally posted by: ppdes
Stupidity can make you more fit. A group of stupid people can be tricked into working together and killing other groups quite easily by threatening that your imaginary friend will torture them forever if they don't follow the group's rules. That group working together may be more survivable than a group of smarter individuals who demand evidence and don't have fanatical reasons to oppose others.

I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE.

So level with me...how long did it take you to come up with that? Did you think it was original?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: bignateyk
lol. If anything, humans are de-evolving. Think about how many people with physical and mental disabilities are able to procreate now that would have been wiped out of the gene pool years ago? There is no such thing as "good" genes anymore. It's just a clusterfuck of breeding now.

well you see, fitness means something different than what you think.

if you are so smart, why aren't you reproducing is the question?

if you fail to reproduce, you are by definition unfit. humans are not de-evolving, but people who are so self involved that they fail to reproduce have their genetics removed. its basically genetic suicide.


yes, more people survive early childhood these days than in the past. but sometimes that kind of culling is not building towards total perfection, it might have been a constant battle off acceptable loss rate. with humans evolving immunity for some strains of disease, but with the diseases evolving a bit more and keeping the death rate the same. social evolution which led to science is what keeps our infant/child mortality at bay these days. even with science the battle against disease is constant, you see how things are becoming immune to our antibiotics. evolved solutions aren't necessarily going to make you a superman. loook at sickle cell. theres a price to pay for having that advantage.