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What is something you agree with the "other side" about?

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boomerang said:
What about some of the other tenets of the Democrat party as it exists today?

Abolish ICE
Higher taxes
Anti-energy production
Open borders
Anti-Semitism
Anti-Christian
Anti-male
Anti-white
Pro-Palestinian
Pro-Antifa
Pro-MS-13
Anti-military
Anti-law enforcement
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you're nuts dude
 
Cerb said:
Except when they really believe this, and find out it's not true, whether it's traveling the Middle East or Africa, or just going down the wrong alley in any number of American cities. We can be that, and we should be that, but that is potential, and must be learned. Human beings at our root are savage tribal predators, weak individually, but stronger than any other land animal in groups. Our behavioral elasticity has allowed us to rise above that, while still serving those needs of the brain, and with the right cultural backgrounds (Western civilization's roots in Mesopotamia, and whatever some of the East Asians got right and spread, that I am historically more ignorant of), create great civilizations, and go above and beyond those basic instinctual needs. Look at South Africa, right now, turning itself into Zimbabwe 2.0, for example: that is humanity getting back to its root. To prevent that requires each generation to be raised with values beyond oneself, beyond near-term needs, and with skepticism/vigilance of oneself and one's community.
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There is another form of knowledge, I believe, an ancient science based on the collapse of duality. If you have collapsed duality you can't be told who you are nor hold a self conception.

Of course, I am well aware of the other points you made.
 
dank69 said:
"I lean way more left than right"

Truer words were spoken by Donald Trump.
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That's because you see the left/right axis as not having a libertarian extreme, so pro-freedom/pro-individualism looks right-wing to you. If I went and took the political compass right now, FI, just like any other time, I'd be about in the center of the Libertarian-Left quadrant, and that fits with my views. If plans that seemed like it might work were proposed, I'd support universal health care (I was hopeful for maybe a week or two, until it was clear that Baucus was blocking any sensible proposals, during Obama's early tenure), FI, and UBI, along with general support for other things (like gay marriage, abortion rights, getting the EPA to do its job, amnesty for existing non-jailbird illegals, etc.).
 
Cerb said:
That's because you see the left/right axis as not having a libertarian extreme, so pro-freedom/pro-individualism looks right-wing to you. If I went and took the political compass right now, FI, just like any other time, I'd be about in the center of the Libertarian-Left quadrant, and that fits with my views. If plans that seemed like it might work were proposed, I'd support universal health care (I was hopeful for maybe a week or two, until it was clear that Baucus was blocking any sensible proposals, during Obama's early tenure), FI, and UBI, along with general support for other things (like gay marriage, abortion rights, getting the EPA to do its job, amnesty for existing non-jailbird illegals, etc.).
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Says the guy who thinks the left is way more totalitarian than the right.
 
fskimospy said:
Every right in the constitution is subject to restrictions. For example you cannot use your 'free speech' to incite others to violence and if your religion involved child sacrifice the government would happily limit your right to freedom of religion.

Basically every law is a 'thoughtcrime' law as mens rea is required for most crimes. If you don't have a guilty mind, you aren't guilty. It's perfectly sensible that if someone is killed in order to terrorize a population that is more damaging to society than if someone is killed in a personal dispute. We came up with these laws specifically because right wing terrorist groups used targeted murders to do just that.
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I’m just now catching back up on this thread. Shouting fire in a theatre or inciting a very targeted violence (not just a broad generalized call towards) is a definite, concrete thing. The nebulous term "hate" most certainly isn’t. The standard for a limit on a constitutional freedom has to be a very clearly defined thing and even then is tough. That’s why he violence thing has to be clearly imminent and precise, a call to death to the infedels doesn’t and shouldn’t ever land you in jail. "Hate" is whatever the hell you want it to be, that vaguity is an extrodinarily illiberal concept when discussing limiting a constitutional right.
 
boomerang said:
What about some of the other tenets of the Democrat party as it exists today?

Abolish ICE
Higher taxes
Anti-energy production
Open borders
Anti-Semitism
Anti-Christian
Anti-male
Anti-white
Pro-Palestinian
Pro-Antifa
Pro-MS-13
Anti-military
Anti-law enforcement
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That moment when Alex Jones looks at you like you craycray...
 
Indus said:
It's funny.. I gave this a day and not 1 person from the other side mentioned lgbt equality. When they don't even think we're equal and need equal protection and rights under the law, its hard to agree with them or even vote for them.
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Bruh I said I was for gay marriage on the first page. Not sure if that fits whatever criteria you were looking for but it was touched upon.
 
UglyCasanova said:
I voted for a candidate to burn the place down.
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Bullshit. The president doesn't rule like a king. Who knows why you voted what you did, I don't really care what your motivations were. The fact is we have checks and balances for a reason. You voted for a party that is opposite of what you claim to support in almost each way, and the country isn't burning down because your feels.
 
UglyCasanova said:
I’m just now catching back up on this thread. Shouting fire in a theatre or inciting a very targeted violence (not just a broad generalized call towards) is a definite, concrete thing. The nebulous term "hate" most certainly isn’t. The standard for a limit on a constitutional freedom has to be a very clearly defined thing and even then is tough. That’s why he violence thing has to be clearly imminent and precise, a call to death to the infedels doesn’t and shouldn’t ever land you in jail. "Hate" is whatever the hell you want it to be, that vaguity is an extrodinarily illiberal concept when discussing limiting a constitutional right.
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For crissakes. Hate crimes in the US are no more crimes of speech than they are crimes of thought. They are crimes of physical violence with a specific motive. I have no idea where the Constitution even comes into this. The Constitution places no restrictions on the state's ability to criminalize violent acts. Intent is required for basically every crime, and specific motives which go along with the violence are factors in sentencing and in many other aspects of the legal process. There is nothing unprecedented about the motive requirement.

I'm afraid you're confusing our hate crime laws with hate speech laws they have in Europe. We don't have those. But that doesn't stop people from constantly equating the two.
 
You are a Democrat.
UglyCasanova said:
Examples. I fall in both ideologies so tough to really apply to me. I am for small government and less spending. I’m for abortion. I think the military needs to be a third it’s current size. I’m for food stamps. I’m for gov assisting in daycare so parents can work. I’m against the push for "living wage" on entry level jobs. I’m for gay marriage. I’m against requiring someone being forced to create a symbol of it though (wedding cake). I’m against the trade war. I’m against the Orwellian concept of "hate speech".

That’s off the top of my head
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ch33zw1z said:
Bullshit. The president doesn't rule like a king. Who knows why you voted what you did, I don't really care what your motivations were. The fact is we have checks and balances for a reason. You voted for a party that is opposite of what you claim to support in almost each way, and the country isn't burning down because your feels.
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It’s not burning down because of my feels. Not even sure what that’s supposed to mean. No Trump isn’t a dictator where did I say he was? Anywhom, fantastic point great post can’t wait to read more
 
UglyCasanova said:
It’s not burning down because of my feels. Not even sure what that’s supposed to mean. No Trump isn’t a dictator where did I say he was? Anywhom, fantastic point great post can’t wait to read more
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Huh? Wuh? You openly stated what you support earlier in the thread, yet voted against those things, so you bought the bullshit being being slung, voted for Trump because it "felt" right.

By voting for Trump to "burn it down", you fail to understand that our president doesnt rule like a king, and can't burn it down alone.
 
No but he can do a good job of it. Lord knows around here you’d think the sky is falling every day over what Trump does.

I do support everything I’ve stated earlier in the thread. You aren’t understanding why Trump won.
 
UglyCasanova said:
No but he can do a good job of it. Lord knows around here you’d think the sky is falling every day over what Trump does.

I do support everything I’ve stated earlier in the thread. You aren’t understanding why Trump won.
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Trump won for a number of reasons. That doesn't change anything I said.
 
UglyCasanova said:
No but he can do a good job of it. Lord knows around here you’d think the sky is falling every day over what Trump does.
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Well he does seem to be engaging in an abnormally large number of felonies for most people’s tastes, I’m sure you would agree.

I do support everything I’ve stated earlier in the thread. You aren’t understanding why Trump won.
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Trump won because of the electoral college.
 
UglyCasanova said:
If that’s the takeaway from ‘16 the Dems have learned nothing.

Anyways this is getting really sidetracked
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I mean he lost the vote by several million. In any other election in the country that means he would have lost.

It’s the takeaway because it’s an inescapable fact of math, haha.
 
UglyCasanova said:
If that’s the takeaway from ‘16 the Dems have learned nothing.

Anyways this is getting really sidetracked
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Other than don't fall for the bullshit & don't stay at home there wasn't a whole lot to be learned by Democrats.

I mean, Trumpsters, they mad, right? They'll have reason to stay that way so long as they keep voting GOP. They'll get plenty of trickle down from that knife wound in their back...
 
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