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What is something you agree with the "other side" about?

UglyCasanova

UglyCasanova

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For the 1000th time: Criticizing Clinton is not support for Trump. Criticizing Trump is not support for Clinton. A person is capable of criticizing both. In fact, I think every person should.
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It’s true, everything has become A or B it seems straight down the line. There is less gray area or people in the middle which is a shame.

Most of you subscribe to a party, what is something you cross the line and agree with the other party about?
 
What people say or what people do.

I dont adhere to the republicans social agenda, and they're certainly not fiscally responsible. So nothing anymore.
 
Maybe don’t think party but ideology. What is something the left supports but you disagree with, or the right supports and you agree with that?
 
UglyCasanova said:
Maybe don’t think party but ideology. What is something the left supports but you disagree with, or the right supports and you agree with that?
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Labeled me left eh? I'm registered independent, just like you.

I disagree with helicopter parenting. We'll meet there. You could always start your thread with your examples.
 
Examples. I fall in both ideologies so tough to really apply to me. I am for small government and less spending. I’m for abortion. I think the military needs to be a third it’s current size. I’m for food stamps. I’m for gov assisting in daycare so parents can work. I’m against the push for "living wage" on entry level jobs. I’m for gay marriage. I’m against requiring someone being forced to create a symbol of it though (wedding cake). I’m against the trade war. I’m against the Orwellian concept of "hate speech".

That’s off the top of my head
 
UglyCasanova said:
Examples. I fall in both ideologies so tough to really apply to me. I am for small government and less spending. I’m for abortion. I think the military needs to be a third it’s current size. I’m for food stamps. I’m for gov assisting in daycare so parents can work. I’m against the push for "living wage" on entry level jobs. I’m for gay marriage. I’m against requiring someone being forced to create a symbol of it though (wedding cake). I’m against the trade war. I’m against the Orwellian concept of "hate speech".

That’s off the top of my head
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Your idea of small government falls apart when you start naming what you want the government to do for you.

I'm not "for" abortion. I support a person's right to choose, but understand it's emotionally, socially, and financially a situation to situation basis. I can't justify legistlating religious based morals in that way.

Minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation for decades, and corporations use this combined with social programs as corporate welfare.

Anyone with basic economic knowledge is against the trade war...even republicans. We're way past the point of corporations giving a fuck about us.

Not a bad list overall, but IMO, you got some thinking to do.

At this point, the republicans and most conservatives I encounter dont have anything politically in common with me.
 
UglyCasanova said:
Examples. I fall in both ideologies so tough to really apply to me. I am for small government and less spending. I’m for abortion. I think the military needs to be a third it’s current size. I’m for food stamps. I’m for gov assisting in daycare so parents can work. I’m against the push for "living wage" on entry level jobs. I’m for gay marriage. I’m against requiring someone being forced to create a symbol of it though (wedding cake). I’m against the trade war. I’m against the Orwellian concept of "hate speech".

That’s off the top of my head
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What about some of the other tenets of the Democrat party as it exists today?

Abolish ICE
Higher taxes
Anti-energy production
Open borders
Anti-Semitism
Anti-Christian
Anti-male
Anti-white
Pro-Palestinian
Pro-Antifa
Pro-MS-13
Anti-military
Anti-law enforcement
 
boomerang said:
What about some of the other tenets of the Democrat party as it exists today?

Abolish ICE
Higher taxes
Anti-energy production
Open borders
Anti-Semitism
Anti-Christian
Anti-male
Anti-white
Pro-Palestinian
Pro-Antifa
Pro-MS-13
Anti-military
Anti-law enforcement
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The irony is incredible. You create a list of negative features about a straw man version of the Democrats, only to find that Trump actually fits the profile better than the real Democrats. That's a truly impressive fuck up. Anti-law enforcement? Check. Anti-military? Check. Higher taxes for the majority? Check. Anti-energy production? Check. Meanwhile the only thing on that list the Democrats actually go for is higher taxes, which makes sense considering the massive debt the Republicans keep trying to avoid paying off.
 
ch33zw1z said:
@UglyCasanova - this is what I mean.
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Explain yourself. What on that list do you disagree with? We have two major parties with enough power to make any third party inconsequential. If there is to be a discussion of what the 'other party' stands for that one agrees with, what the other party stands for needs to be the basis for the discussion. UC got the ball rolling and I'm adding to it. As an independent you should have some opinion on the items in that list. Those items are in the news from a myriad of sources weekly and sometimes daily.

As an independent you might be best qualified to come up with a similar list for the Republican party.
 
boomerang said:
Explain yourself. What on that list do you disagree with? We have two major parties with enough power to make any third party inconsequential. If there is to be a discussion of what the 'other party' stands for that one agrees with, what the other party stands for needs to be the basis for the discussion. UC got the ball rolling and I'm adding to it. As an independent you should have some opinion on the items in that list. Those items are in the news from a myriad of sources weekly and sometimes daily.

As an independent you might be best qualified to come up with a similar list for the Republican party.
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So, you agree with the other side on the things you wrote? UC got the ball rolling and the thread title is pretty obvious.

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What is something you agree with the "other side" about?"
 
boomerang said:
Explain yourself. What on that list do you disagree with? We have two major parties with enough power to make any third party inconsequential. If there is to be a discussion of what the 'other party' stands for that one agrees with, what the other party stands for needs to be the basis for the discussion. UC got the ball rolling and I'm adding to it. As an independent you should have some opinion on the items in that list. Those items are in the news from a myriad of sources weekly and sometimes daily.

As an independent you might be best qualified to come up with a similar list for the Republican party.
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Your list is bullshit. Something you enjoy devouring.
 
The problem I see with seeking common ground is that the Repub Party is a contradiction in and of itself. Their middle class and poor vote for politicians that do not represent their interests but that of the very wealthy who have corrupted these politicians into mere pawns because once corrupted and dependent, these uber rich have the financial power to keep or throw these pawns out of office. If these now corrupted "representatives" actually tried to represent the people who voted for them they'd be turned on with all the might and fury that billions of dollars of excess spending cash the very wealthy have laying around doing nothing can muster.

This Great Divide is created by those who benefit from it and it invariably ends up being the very wealthy. This is not so much a political struggle as it is one of class warfare with the war being waged in Washington DC.

The only way the gov't can work for, of and by the people is to have the working class unite as one political body. As far as that's concerned, the very wealthy will do their utmost to keep that from happening and they've been doing one hell of a job of it.

There are hundreds of millions of working class folks that have been convinced that it's better to vote against their own best interests for the sake of one single issue that they want everyone else to agree and adhere to. They have been convinced to be this way by their very own politicians who were instructed to do it so at the behest of their wealthy campaign donor benefactors.

Having things that we all can agree on is a futile gesture when those with the power and the influence that comes with it have as their own agenda the purposeful intent of keeping the people of the nation divided and conquered.

Just look at Trump as being the perfect example of this divide and conquer agenda. Just look at how Putin is taking sweet ecstatic advantage of the same.
 
boomerang said:
What about some of the other tenets of the Democrat party as it exists today?

Abolish ICE
Higher taxes
Anti-energy production
Open borders
Anti-Semitism
Anti-Christian
Anti-male
Anti-white
Pro-Palestinian
Pro-Antifa
Pro-MS-13
Anti-military
Anti-law enforcement
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LOL at these, especially at the hypocrisy of liberals being "anti law enforcement."
 
Engineer said:
So, you agree with the other side on the things you wrote? UC got the ball rolling and the thread title is pretty obvious.

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What is something you agree with the "other side" about?"
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Quite obviously I don't agree with any of those things I typed out. Are you being purposefully obtuse? Do you agree with any of those?

I need to know what the 'other side' stands for beyond the list I posted. What is the Democrat Party going to run on this November seems like a good basis for a start.

I'll weigh in on abortion though. I respect a woman's right to choose but there needs to be consideration that it took both sexes to create the baby. In other words it can't be her decision alone. Further, I am against taxpayer funds being used for abortion. If you think they're not being used for that, lie to yourself but please, don't lie to me.
 
boomerang said:
I respect a woman's right to choose but there needs to be consideration that it took both sexes to create the baby. In other words it can't be her decision alone.
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I disagree with this. It did take both people and I totally get that, but it’s her body not his. I wonder how often it even comes up that the dad is against it. If they are in a relationship then I’d think it’s pretty much always a joint decision. If they aren’t in a relationship I’d imagine the dad wouldn’t be opposed. If the woman didn’t want it but the dad did I would be for him having sole custody and the woman never sees it nor pays child support. That opens up cans of worms though.
 
woolfe9998 said:
LOL at these, especially at the hypocrisy of liberals being "anti law enforcement."
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Wait now, I'm talking about Democrats as in the party. I made no mention of liberals. But doesn't the Democrat party have that big tent thing going on with both liberals and progressives inside of it?
 
boomerang said:
Wait now, I'm talking about Democrats as in the party. I made no mention of liberals. But doesn't the Democrat party have that big tent thing going on with both liberals and progressives inside of it?
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Definitions are tricky. I consider myself a "progressive" and I don't agree with anything on that list, except higher taxes, but then only on the wealthy.
 
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