you dont think they care at all?¿
you dont think things like being a master in Programing and HTML, and getting things like MCSE or CISCIO Cert. would help at all?
you dont think they care at all?¿
you dont think things like being a master in Programing and HTML, and getting things like MCSE or CISCIO Cert. would help at all?i'm guessing it was just tough luck. mit and similar schools get plenty of apps from kids w/4.0s and rocking SATs. everyone i've interviewed for columbia apps have had great numbers, so it really does delve into the subjective, along with getting a class with diverse talents and interests....
This is exactly why kids shouldnt be homeschooled...they miss out on a lot of regular talk and discussion...
MIT is a crock? You've been reading too much in these forums, man. Just listen to them: "Oh, you need to be rich because my friend was poor and he didn't get in" "Oh, you need to be a complete nerd because my friend had a 10.0 GPA and didn't get in" "Oh, you need to have won the Nobel Prize because my friend hasn't won it yet and he didn't get in" "Oh, you need to have a 1600 on your SAT because my friend got an 1100 and didn't get in". All these complaints come from people who were just too pussy to apply and are going on what their friends are telling them, or are just pissed cuz they got their asses handed back to them during applications. Saying that MIT is just a bunch of bad professors who don't want to teach is BS. EVERY school has their sh!tty professors. EVERY school favors their graduate department more than their undergrad. It's the graduate department that brings in the money (Your $40,000 tuition? Please....). The only difference is that MIT has the brightest and most accomplished of the non-sh!tty (as well as sh!tty) professors and you'll be surrounded by the brightest and most accomplished students in the nation.
If you think you have a shot at MIT, apply. If you get accepted, go. Don't let these other pussies drag you down into the depths of ITT Tech.
you dont think they care at all?¿
well you have to look at what programs they have... their focus is heavily on science and engineering. i mean, do they even have an IT/IS major offered?
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Ok, I'm sorry, but this post just makes me angry. Have you gone to MIT? Do you actually know what the fvck you're talking about? First off, I can't believe the undergraduate education I'm getting. All of my classes are taught by professors, my TAs are the professors themselves or another professor in the department. Grade inflation? Puhlease... If you don't have first hand experience, please don't comment on it. Professors who don't like to teach the material? Again, come here and meet the professors and tell me you still believe that. As far as academically based scholarships, we are not Ivy League first off. The reason why MIT doesn't give academic scholarships is who are you going to give it to? Everyone who comes here is top notch, how are you going to distinguish from who gets and who doesn't get a scholarship? MIT gives scholarships based on aid. If you need it, you get it. Graduate research? Try going to the MIT website and searching for UROP. I've got one, it's a blast. True, it is unacceptable. Hate to tell ya the truth, but if you can't get As in a AP class, you don't belong here. I'm not being arrogant or anything, but I got all As, 5s on all APs I took, and MIT is still thoroughly kicking my ass back and forth. I'm not even going to address your last paragraph. Thank you and good night. Next time, please know what you're talking about before you open your mouth? </rant>
have you ever been homeschooled? how would you know they miss out on a lot of regular talk and discussion?
Ok then, well I think I may have a chance I scored in the top 5% of high school students, I've done work with both school and College plays, I attended a Tech school while in High school (not for much though), I've done work in the school's tech dept, JROTC, I've been called out from class on many occasions to repair troubled systems, because I know what I'm doing unlike the morons they hired that are over worked anyway. I've even done work for some small businesses.... and I'm 17 and 2 months lol. Most of this I've done just in the past 3 years.
University of Illinois, but out of state (no idea on international) tuition, room, and board is over $20K.
Geekbabe
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My son has expressed an interest in MIT I do believe getting into there is harder than ITT Tech
Sorry, but they do. I absolutely agree that your "passion" matters..... but a LOT of people are passionate. Pick up a copy of MIT's application.... and read some of the disclaimers. They HIGHLY discourage people not in the top 10 in their class to apply.
I did get in MIT. I had/have very good grades. I had a very good SAT score. It certainly helps. The guy at #2 in our class also was told (much later) that they frequently base their admissions decisions on geography. I probably screwed him as well (being #1 in my senior class).... they don't like admitting multiple people from the same schools
I did get in MIT. I had/have very good grades. I had a very good SAT score. It certainly helps. The guy at #2 in our class also was told (much later) that they frequently base their admissions decisions on geography. I probably screwed him as well (being #1 in my senior class).... they don't like admitting multiple people from the same schools
well of course, you have to be passionate and smart... but that doesn't have that much to do with grades and whatnot. it is just that there is often a correlation. i guarantee you that they would admit a guy with low grades but they could tell was smart and passionate (through competitions, interview, recommendations, personal studying) over a guy with extremely high grades, but did not show that he was really all that bright and was just coasting through (not that hard to do in high school).
and none of this has anything to do with wealth.
this is all my guess of course... i have a friend that talked a lot about MIT (and she got in when she applied), so that is where i pick up this stuff. she definitely was not in the top 10 of her school in terms of grades... but she was one of the smartest ones there (she was doing independant study with professors and crap).
Be careful about making generalizations. I have gone to school with/competed with/been taught by many graduate of MIT. They vary in quality, just like anywhere else. Blanket generalizations about universities are seldom true. MIT has EXCELLENT robotics and computer science programs... they also have stellar fluid dynamics professors. They are absolutely terrible at theoretical and computational solid mechanics. They have good professors and bad ones. Do some research on a particular topic: see who publishes in that area. Look at the school they are at. Choose your GRADUATE school based on this. That's how I chose mine: i followed a particular professor who was EXCELLENT in my area of study (actually, i chose 10... and approached all the schools. MIT was NOT on that list.... yet it had five of the people on the list for a friend of mine in robotics--he's there now).
Not all schools "choose" their grad over undergrad programs. Many schools focus heavily on undergrads.
And "brightest and most accomplished students in the nation?" I wouldn't say that either. Because admission to MIT is OBVIOUSLY not solely based on intelligence-based criterion. There are plenty of bright people out there... everywhere. What school you go to doesn't count for everything, either--some people are where they are because of monetary issues, family issues, and the like. Once again, don't make blanket statements.
Some people have thought I was slamming MIT. I'm not. Its a VERY good school. But it is NOT the "end all, be all" of schools.... just like Harvard isn't the "end all, be all" liberal arts school. MIT has a stellar reputation for their research and innovation. And they deserve it. But it doesn't mean they are good all over.... I think you'll find with careful research that the "best" are scattered all around (for lots of reasons).
All I'm saying is do your research. Think about what you really want to do. Go where it best benefits you. Because if you just want to say "I go to MIT"... well, go right ahead. But that's not going to cut any mustard with the guy reviewing your journal article--its going to depend on YOUR research and work. And that probably depends more on your advisor, your education, and NOT the school you happen to be enrolled in.
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and none of this has anything to do with wealth.
this is all my guess of course... i have a friend that talked a lot about MIT (and she got in when she applied), so that is where i pick up this stuff. she definitely was not in the top 10 of her school in terms of grades... but she was one of the smartest ones there (she was doing independant study with professors and crap).[/quote]
Of course SMART has a lot to do with it. I was told by an admissions officer at another Ivy League school (who shall remain nameless) that they look at GPA and extracurricular activities as a sign of motivation and well-roundedness. They typically use other things to measure intelligence (they were highly interested in ASHME and AIME scores--math exams, for those of you that don't know). Like I said, the college admission process is VERY complex.... for a reason. Its a huge gamble for the school. For a wait-list school like MIT, they don't like to admit people who have a poor chance of succeeding (whether by motivation OR intelligence) AND they don't like admitting people who aren't likely to go there. When I called (and they ask that you call) to tell them that I would not be attending, they proceeded to ask me a couple dozen questions as to why. They wanted to know how to improve the admissions process to weed out people who were unlikely to attend. My personal reasons had to do with scholarships from other schools (and my parents being decidedly middle class--without $120K to plunk down on MIT).
All I'm saying is that a first-rate education at the UNDERGRADUATE level depends FAR more on the student than the school. I've seen people from prestigious schools (a student I work with now who did his BSME at MIT comes to mind) that really didn't know the fundamentals. Its not because MIT was a bad school, or I went to a better one (NCSU is a decent undergrad engineering school--but much better in certain graduate areas).... its just because of motivation. If you go to a reasonably good (read: the best state school for your field) for undergrad, and work hard and WANT to learn, you'll do fine. then you can go to the appropriate graduate school--the one that's best in your specifice field.
The education business (and yes, its a business) is a complicated one. With many twists and turns. Don't generalize it--it'll mess you up every time.
and none of this has anything to do with wealth.
this is all my guess of course... i have a friend that talked a lot about MIT (and she got in when she applied), so that is where i pick up this stuff. she definitely was not in the top 10 of her school in terms of grades... but she was one of the smartest ones there (she was doing independant study with professors and crap).[/quote]
Of course SMART has a lot to do with it. I was told by an admissions officer at another Ivy League school (who shall remain nameless) that they look at GPA and extracurricular activities as a sign of motivation and well-roundedness. They typically use other things to measure intelligence (they were highly interested in ASHME and AIME scores--math exams, for those of you that don't know). Like I said, the college admission process is VERY complex.... for a reason. Its a huge gamble for the school. For a wait-list school like MIT, they don't like to admit people who have a poor chance of succeeding (whether by motivation OR intelligence) AND they don't like admitting people who aren't likely to go there. When I called (and they ask that you call) to tell them that I would not be attending, they proceeded to ask me a couple dozen questions as to why. They wanted to know how to improve the admissions process to weed out people who were unlikely to attend. My personal reasons had to do with scholarships from other schools (and my parents being decidedly middle class--without $120K to plunk down on MIT).
All I'm saying is that a first-rate education at the UNDERGRADUATE level depends FAR more on the student than the school. I've seen people from prestigious schools (a student I work with now who did his BSME at MIT comes to mind) that really didn't know the fundamentals. Its not because MIT was a bad school, or I went to a better one (NCSU is a decent undergrad engineering school--but much better in certain graduate areas).... its just because of motivation. If you go to a reasonably good (read: the best state school for your field) for undergrad, and work hard and WANT to learn, you'll do fine. then you can go to the appropriate graduate school--the one that's best in your specifice field.
The education business (and yes, its a business) is a complicated one. With many twists and turns. Don't generalize it--it'll mess you up every time.
i guess we agree after all then (i just took exception to your comment about them giving heavy preference to rich people actually).
I had a friend who went to MIT. He got a 1570 on his SATs, but he wasn't any special whiz kid, and I know for a fact he didn't have more than one or two math thingamijigs under his belt. He was on the math league and bio league, but that's all I remember. However, this was back in 1994. Now even where I went to college seems to require someone to be an ubermensch with some amazing talent to get in. It's ridiculous. Its the grade inflation in highschool that's to blame - kids get an A for effort. I slept through highschool to a 3.7, and my suburban NJ highschoo was a pretty good one.
I shouldn't have been so blunt. I apologize for that. More of what I was insinuating is that they are highly interested in those people who are LIKELY to have the means to go there. Meaning: they can borrow the money, pay the money, have outside scholarships, etc. I shouldn't have implied "rich"... that's not really what I meant. I was told in my "declination" interview that they frequently see people with large scholarships to reputable state schools (read NC State, U-Michigan, UT-Austin, Virginia Tech, UC-Berkeley) turn down their acceptance to MIT--just because of the tuition. They even admitted to calling other schools that my SAT information was sent to (that's a matter of somewhat-public records). They saw no scholarships from those schools--so they were curious why I wasn't going to MIT (they didn't know of an outside science-related scholarship I had one). MIT is a business... like ALL other colleges. They want to win their gambles.
Again, I apologize to all who thought I was bashing MIT. I'm not. I'm just making an example: things are not as simple as they seem. Examine things closely. No school that I know of admits people solely based on their qualifications. Its a sad state of affairs. The ONLY thing more warped than admissions is the scholarship game--and we won't even get into that. Just remember: higher education is a business. And that business is about as unpredictable as corporate america. So just do your best--YOUR effort is what's going to make you a good/great/stellar person in your field.
Damn I know someone in my school who got 1600 on SAT I, 800's on all math/science SAT II's, 5's on every single math/science AP, taking Calc III and Differential Calculus right now, part of every single math/science related club at my school, 2 B's in his life, probably won numerous awards and still got deferred from MIT for early decision. I mean holy cow, what does MIT expect.
1 place in one regional contest != own
. Seriously though, very well done. No school out there (not MIT, not Caltech) is the "end all, be all" of colleges as someone else said a few posts up. Some are very good in certain areas while not as good in others. Find the school that's right for what you want to do. All I can say from personal experience is that being here at Caltech so far (Freshman here) has been incredible. The people, the profs, the campus and the house community have all been great and I'm having tons of fun. Is Caltech better than MIT? At some things, maybe. Is MIT better than Caltech? At some things, I guess. Is UCSD better than Caltech? Obviously they were in that contest. No school out there is #1 in everything and some schools that might not have incredible reputations have great departments too. Try to visit the school you want to go to so that you can get a feel for the campus, the students and the tradition and history of the school. In the end, it's somewhere you'll (probably) spend 4 years of your life, so find a place where you'd be happy. Is that ITT Tech? Is it MIT? Is it University of ____? Only you know.As with many an engineer, what if he has no plans of graduate school? From the sounds of things he does plan on going into industry and not research. Doesn't mean he won't go to grad school, but there is no mention of him planning on attending either. If he does plan on going into industry directly after graduating, I say take the best overall "engineering" school he can attend.
They don't "choose", they "favor". Big difference. Certainly, there are many schools which value their undergrad programs, but not to the extent they do their grad programs. Unless they have little or no grad program, I would like to see proof otherwise.
This is hardly a blanket statemtent. Of course people for one reason or another cannot/don't want to attend MIT, but it don't matter. You're still among the brightest and most-accomplished in the nation. Unless you're the child of a very influential person, it's a requirement for entrance as with any other prestigious university like MIT.
Don't get me wrong. I certainly realize how much more important getting into a good grad school is than getting into a good undergrad (I just finished my grad applicationslast fall), but you have to consider a number of things:
1) What if he decides not to go to grad school?
2) What if he decides to change engineering emphasis (I think very few people actually carry out what the planned going into college)?
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