What is Nvidia going to do ?

[boxleitnerb]

I play at 1080p with Titan SLI.
SGSSAA, downsampling, AO (now HBAO+) are my friends 😀

 

[Erenhardt]

I play at 1080p with Titan SLI.
SGSSAA, downsampling, AO (now HBAO+) are my friends 😀

That is one way to waste all this processing power. I sure hope you use those DP capabilities 24/7.

There are rumors of double GPU cards based on Hawaii and gk110. That will be nice to see. Maybe sushi can say more about this? 😉

 

[Leadbox]

That is one way to waste all this processing power. I sure hope you use those DP capabilities 24/7.

There are rumors of double GPU cards based on Hawaii and gk110. That will be nice to see. Maybe sushi can say more about this? 😉

I think he already did, at least the Hawaii based dual card, its called Vesuvius and he claimed to have tested it

 

[Grooveriding]

If they go full GK110, I'm assuming they'll do it as a 785/Geforce card, right ? Not another 'dual-purpose' over-priced madness card... If their response to a $600 R290X doing in Titan is to just release a Titan Ultra with a 5-10% lead for $1000 again... That will do nothing to sway most potential R290X buyers.

I'm expecting 780 to get a price cut and maybe a 785 type card that uses a Titan core with 3GB VRAM.

A 28nm Maxwell, while interesting, is not going to make any waves performance wise. I think they're at the threshold of what they can do on the same node. Even Intel only manages about a 10% improvement when they switch architectures on the same node. Also dealing with the same node they can't do another 3XX mm2 28nm Maxwell for a high end card like they did with the 680. That is going to be slower than 780/Titan. They'll have to go big to even get those tiny possible gains over what they have right now using 28nm again.

 

[boxleitnerb]

That is one way to waste all this processing power. I sure hope you use those DP capabilities 24/7.

Stop trolling and start reading:

Downsampling = 3840x2160 or 2880x1620. 4xSGSSAA = up to 50% performance hit vs no AA. Forced HBAO+ = another 30% fps hit.

No waste, just your limited imagination what to do with that GPU power 😉

 

[cmdrdredd]

If you buy a 780, I do hope you don't play @ 1080p.

I was thinking this as well. 1080p doesn't need SLI or a 780 level GPU at all. I can sort of understand why you may want that performance but it's truly buying more than what is necessary IMO.

 

[MrK6]

I was thinking this as well. 1080p doesn't need SLI or a 780 level GPU at all. I can sort of understand why you may want that performance but it's truly buying more than what is necessary IMO.

All of this; if you're even thinking of spending more than $300 on a GPU, you should be spending twice that on a halfway decent display. I sometimes don't understand people's (lack of) priorities.

That said, nvidia will counter as they always have. These companies both understand the game and how it's played. The thing that will benefit AMD most is to be super aggressive here with it's foothold in the console space and use that to continue to boost its standing in other markets. Following up with good hardware is a great adjunct as well. Hopefully this is the start of some good competition like we saw ~4 years ago.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

These are high end cards, they don't have to do nothing because you said it yourself, Titan is still faster. Don't see what they have to do.

Stop talking about Mantle, it won't "pan out" because its a niche product that is not even proven yet, it has to many question marks. Remember its the same card they put true audio on..so that pretty much answers that question.

It won't pan out? It's already in Bf4 which is really the only game that matters.

BF3 performance is basically the sole reason nvidia outsold AMD this last generation. If the r9 290x is faster in bf4 by a substantial amount it will be huge for AMD.

 

[The Alias]

guys look at the reviews . In a lot of games Tahiti's coming within 10% of the 780's performance . If the 290x isn't trouncing the 780/titan in games, then I'd be disappointed because tahiti is already close . If Hawaii with all of it's increase in shader power, rops, texture mapping, etc doesn't beat titan convincingly, then AMD seriously dropped the ball

 

[PingviN]

Existing Nvidia GPUs are competitive with AMDs offerings, so across-the-board price adjustments would probably be enough.

 

[The Alias]

Existing Nvidia GPUs are competitive with AMDs offerings, so across-the-board price adjustments would probably be enough.

99x'
But looking at the 290x's suggests NV's high end won't be

 

[imaheadcase]

I was thinking this as well. 1080p doesn't need SLI or a 780 level GPU at all. I can sort of understand why you may want that performance but it's truly buying more than what is necessary IMO.

Yah because I've never heard of new games that come out. Very rare thing.

 

[imaheadcase]

It won't pan out? It's already in Bf4 which is really the only game that matters.

BF3 performance is basically the sole reason nvidia outsold AMD this last generation. If the r9 290x is faster in bf4 by a substantial amount it will be huge for AMD.

Already BF4! ITS TAKING OFF ALREADY! I heard the trueaudio is going to make every developer stop making its games and start from scratch for it! They are releasing 100s of games just for it. Seriously who buys into this crap reasoning?

 

[Leadbox]

99x'
But looking at the 290x's suggests NV's high end won't be

Bulldozer had great specs too, the performance, errr... not so much

 

[PingviN]

99x'
But looking at the 290x's suggests NV's high end won't be

Doesn't matter. AMD haven't had a Titan competitor up until (probably) 290X and it's still doing fine. You don't need to have the fastest card available to be competitive.

 

[f1sherman]

So the question is How is Nvidia going to counter

They could follow AMD and release slightly slower GTX 770 D:

Like AMD has done with 7970 GHz -> R9 280X

 

[Teizo]

That is one way to waste all this processing power. I sure hope you use those DP capabilities 24/7.

It's his computer. He can do whatever the hell he wants to with it.

 

[Abwx]

That said, nvidia will counter as they always have.

For sure but the nature of the first counter attacks ,
that is viral marketing and small manufacturers bribing ,
just show that they have likely nothing to counter AMD
in the short term excepted said despicable tries.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Already BF4! ITS TAKING OFF ALREADY! I heard the trueaudio is going to make every developer stop making its games and start from scratch for it! They are releasing 100s of games just for it. Seriously who buys into this crap reasoning?

I really don't think you understand how much a game like BF4 can move hardware. If Mantle works as advertised and AMD is much faster because of it in BF4 cards will fly off the shelves.

 

[chimaxi83]

I really don't think you understand how much a game like BF4 can move hardware. If Mantle works as advertised and AMD is much faster because of it in BF4 cards will fly off the shelves.

He's been negative towards Mantle and True Audio since they were revealed. Don't think there's much to do except agree to disagree.

 

[tviceman]

If they go full GK110, I'm assuming they'll do it as a 785/Geforce card, right ? Not another 'dual-purpose' over-priced madness card... If their response to a $600 R290X doing in Titan is to just release a Titan Ultra with a 5-10% lead for $1000 again... That will do nothing to sway most potential R290X buyers.

I'm expecting 780 to get a price cut and maybe a 785 type card that uses a Titan core with 3GB VRAM.

Pretty much spot on.

A 28nm Maxwell, while interesting, is not going to make any waves performance wise. I think they're at the threshold of what they can do on the same node. Even Intel only manages about a 10% improvement when they switch architectures on the same node. Also dealing with the same node they can't do another 3XX mm2 28nm Maxwell for a high end card like they did with the 680. That is going to be slower than 780/Titan. They'll have to go big to even get those tiny possible gains over what they have right now using 28nm again.

GM104 could be 28nm and bring some performance improvements. I'd think transistor density would be improved with Maxwell over Kepler regardless of what node process it's on, and without all the extra compute the die size could remain competitive to Hawaii. I dunno though. I think Nvidia would be best served just cutting prices, filling gaps, and working to make Maxwell the best it can be on 20nm.

 

[tviceman]

I really don't think you understand how much a game like BF4 can move hardware. If Mantle works as advertised and AMD is much faster because of it in BF4 cards will fly off the shelves.

What has Mantle been advertised to do though? Has AMD said what performance gains can be had from it right now? Has there been any indication how much better BF4 will be running via Mantle instead of DX? To the best of my knowledge, there has been no advertisement indicative to exactly what kinds of speeds ups people on here are making up.