What is missing white woman syndrome? Why are we doing this again?

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Bitek

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we already have lots of threads on this but basically you could explain it as "Missing White Woman Syndrome".
I recommend you NOT read anything about it here, because this forum is biased and also relies more on feelings than logic. Go look it up on google or whatever. Its a thing. There are studies.

Eh, I can believe it.

Test yourself this way:

How many missing white (young, probably blonde) women can you think of? Can't quite recall the names, but you remember the faces/circumstances?


Now can you think of a single black or Hispanic one?
 

MrSquished

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We live in a post-racial society where the oppressed are straight white men. Get with it you clowns.
 
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PlanetJosh

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I feel a bit like a cheap trailer park living sponge by consuming all the coverage of it on tv and the net. And have no intention of making it worse by saying trite stuff on the boards. In photos of her in the news doesn't she look kind of like anyone famous like Reese Witherspoon or more likely a younger Hillary Clinton?
 
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pcgeek11

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I feel a bit like a cheap trailer park living sponge by consuming all the coverage of it on tv and the net. And have no intention of making it worse by saying trite stuff on the boards. In photos of her in the news doesn't she look kind of like anyone famous like Reese Witherspoon or more likely a younger Hillary Clinton?


Young Hillary Clinton?????

Hell no, not even on Hillarys best day.
 
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Both families need to go the hell away. I'm tired of both of them.

But there's no need to insult the kid by comparing her to that disgustingly evil 'thing.'
 
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sportage

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CNN: Families of missing Black and brown people are frustrated with 'Missing White Women Syndrome'
Just Today

David Robinson has been in Arizona for the last three months searching for his 24-year-old son, Daniel Robinson, who went missing after leaving a work site in the desert in his Jeep Renegade on June 23.

Robinson, who lives in South Carolina, hired an independent investigator and assembled a volunteer search team when he says he felt the police weren't making progress in the investigation. He also says he failed to get the amount of media coverage he believed the case needed. The case was reported by the local media as early as July 9.
Robinson said he sympathizes with the family of Gabby Petito, whose remains were recovered Sunday after she disappeared while exploring parks in Wyoming prompting a highly publicized search.

Still, Robinson said it's "hurtful" to see a young White woman's case met with more urgency and national attention than his son, who is Black.
"You wish you lived in a world where everything was equal but it's really not equal," Robinson told CNN.
 

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Lifer
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The sad thing is, "Hitchbot" got more coverage than most people who go missing who aren't in the favoured demographic (which isn't _exclusively_ a question of race).
 

Zorba

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Yes, I agree that the media, while not pushing a certain bias or narrative, is strengthening an existing bias or narrative by tailoring its coverage based on viewer/reader demand.

But the core issue is why is the demand that way to begin with.

Race. I'll be blunt. On the whole, we as a society value white lives more. Perhaps some people who do not think of themselves as racist, even some liberals, subconsciously think that a white person is just more likely to have made something of themselves than is a black person, and hence the greater tragedy if they die.

The fact that black victims are preferred by the media when the perpetrator is a cop is a different thing entirely. It's not that we value black lives more in that context. It's that the "white cop/black victim" story feeds a political narrative subscribed to by many people of color and white liberals. It's more about antipathy toward police than it is about valuing black lives more. Ironic, given the BLM slogan. (Note: I express no opinion here about the validity of said narrative.)

Gender. Women are viewed traditionally as weaker or even defenseless compared to men. Traditional patriarchal thinking means men should protect women, not harm them. Hence, killing a woman sparks more outrage.

Age. Younger people have longer lives ahead of them. Also, children are relatively defenseless. See above regarding gender. Had that Florida shooter's victims not included an infant and an 11 yr old, there probably would have been less coverage.

Physical attractiveness. In the field of social psychology, research says that people view attractive people as healthier, more successful, more intelligent, and as having brighter futures.
You are missing the obvious, both men and women like looking at pretty women/girls. So a story showing a pretty girl gets more eyeballs for longer.
 

woolfe9998

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You are missing the obvious, both men and women like looking at pretty women/girls. So a story showing a pretty girl gets more eyeballs for longer.

Yes I thought of that. And I agree it is a factor if only a minor one. Photos here are not exactly titillating. They are enough to show that she is pretty and garner the expected reaction of "ah, the poor pretty white girl. She was so pretty. What a waste."
 

Zorba

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Yes I thought of that. And I agree it is a factor if only a minor one. Photos here are not exactly titillating. They are enough to show that she is pretty and garner the expected reaction of "ah, the poor pretty white girl. She was so pretty. What a waste."
I think it's enough to click on the first story, and then you get invested in it.
 

woolfe9998

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I think it's enough to click on the first story, and then you get invested in it.

Yeah, for sure. It's an initial draw. The research is solid, however, that we value the lives of attractive people more than those who aren't so attractive. It's ugly, but true.
 

shortylickens

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Eh, I can believe it.

Test yourself this way:

How many missing white (young, probably blonde) women can you think of? Can't quite recall the names, but you remember the faces/circumstances?


Now can you think of a single black or Hispanic one?
Only one.

JonBenet Ramsey.
 
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Zorba

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Yeah, for sure. It's an initial draw. The research is solid, however, that we value the lives of attractive people more than those who aren't so attractive. It's ugly, but true.
Yeah, I agreed with everything in your post, just thought you omitted that point.
 

HomerJS

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Eh, I can believe it.

Test yourself this way:

How many missing white (young, probably blonde) women can you think of? Can't quite recall the names, but you remember the faces/circumstances?


Now can you think of a single black or Hispanic one?
I named her in the OP

Natalie Holloway. The coverage was 24x7 for months
 

woolfe9998

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Eh, I can believe it.

Test yourself this way:

How many missing white (young, probably blonde) women can you think of? Can't quite recall the names, but you remember the faces/circumstances?


Now can you think of a single black or Hispanic one?

I just remembered one Hispanic who got national press prior to and after discovery of her body.


She fit the pretty, young and female part, but was Mexican.
 

Bitek

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Only one.

JonBenet Ramsey.

That may be cheating since it's a kid, otoh, everyone still remembers it.

I can recall the weird Mormon one, Elizabeth Smart?

That blonde girl who went to Bermuda and prob got killed by her boyfriend..

Does OJ killing his blonde wife count? Might be bonus points actually.

Maybe if we're counting murders, that murdered model in SA by the Olympian "blade runner."

Can't think of a single POC, but maybe I don't watch enough Dateline. To be fair, can't think of an old fat woman either.
 

VRAMdemon

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Missing Cute Blonde White Woman Syndrome with a side of “self-proclaimed ‘influencers’. They were already social media influencers, although for a very small time, but...there was lots of video. So ... All the people tuning in felt like they got to “know” the victim. They depicted a story of a couple deeply in love and just starting out on their lives. The couple were hugging in many of the pictures. That happiness bubble was burst when social media saw the truth in the police video. There was some disturbing and dark stuff in that relationship. They weren’t arguing over who washes the dishes. By then - All these people were already hooked and following the case.
 
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Maxima1

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Just the obsession with a young, pretty woman. I'm being hyperbolic, but part of the missing pretty white girl trope is the "pretty" part — on top of other discrimination, the media has historically devoted less coverage to plainer-looking girls. Like a missing girl isn't worth saving if you don't find her attractive.

Sexiness and cuteness/innocence (not always sexual). But yeah, it matters, and is true even outside of reality (games, movies, "best girl"/waifus, whatever). They're not deluded like what you were suggesting, though. lol

Well I guess the Petito case had one unexpected consequence. On local KGO radio today, the host did about 2 hours of call in discussing this very topic. Why do we focus so much on cases like Petito. He mentioned several statistics, like the number of native American women who have disappeared in Wyoming. It seems to have started a conversation on the topic, which I think is useful.

Conversations had already started much earlier. "Missing white woman syndrome" was coined in 2004. It's a complaint they never follow through on.

But anyway, how many cases are like Gabby's? It's got more than usual content to speculate on and is multi-state... and another sordid saga of Florida Man....

Gabby-Petito-Map-update-2-5.jpg


Race. I'll be blunt. On the whole, we as a society value white lives more. Perhaps some people who do not think of themselves as racist, even some liberals, subconsciously think that a white person is just more likely to have made something of themselves than is a black person, and hence the greater tragedy if they die.

How many cases could people remember of pretty white women missing (or similar circumstance) in the last two decades? If you put me on the spot, I couldn't have even come up with 15-20. I would be like, "Uh, was Mcclusky (can't even spell or remember first name) one of the more recent ones?". I think it's telling so many, including the OP, go back to the early 2000's, and obviously they tend to be more affluent or attractive, so it's not really about society valuing white lives more. People say that about blacks getting shot by police, yet white people never cared about all the white people getting shot. I don't think these sporadic national stories of missing white women do anything about people's social preference nor is there a political message.

The fact that black victims are preferred by the media when the perpetrator is a cop is a different thing entirely. It's not that we value black lives more in that context. It's that the "white cop/black victim" story feeds a political narrative subscribed to by many people of color and white liberals. It's more about antipathy toward police than it is about valuing black lives more. Ironic, given the BLM slogan. (Note: I express no opinion here about the validity of said narrative.)

Antipathy for what? They say racism. How is that not valuing black lives? Why do you think the Devonte picture went viral? Shee-it, searching "Gabby" on twitter, I could be a billionaire if I got a dime for each time a person said, "What would happen If they (Gabby or Brian) were black?".

Not to be crass but Saniyya Dennis is prettier then Petito so it's more then just pretty young woman.

A lot of attractive white girls do not get attention either because there are other elements e.g. what would happen had Holloway went to a middling high school?

On attraction scale, black women to men is similar to Asian men for women. They generally have more masculine characteristics in the face.

I looked her up, and I'm wondering why you chose this person? Did you just see that she is "missing"? So... boyfriend breaks up with her, she tells him she'll kill herself, calls him almost 60 times, (hold on... can you imagine how devalued a man would be with this same outline already? lol) and they know she got on a bus to NIagra Falls. Dogs find scent at that area, but can't retrieve her body where they think she is. She had a picture of Niagra Falls at night, so I think it's probable she soft planned it (boyfriend being the camel-breaking-back incident). There is nothing suggesting foul play with all the evidence pointing to suicide. I do find it amusing that people ignore all that and assume the man behind her getting off the bus must somehow be responsible. lol

Black people forever have been devalued and it continues

There is this constant twisting to try to show this e.g. white people are privileged because cops let Brian get away (ignoring that that means Gabby who is in the right doesn't get justice), yet inconsistent complaining that they aren't catching the murderers/rapists of the minorities. And of course the "disproportionately-out-of news-coverage" complaint which they ignore if it helps further the "systemic racism" agenda. The cop cases which became prevelant after Trayvon (which *gasp* only went nationally because Trayvon was black) and the more recent "while black"/Karen reporting more than made up for the "missing women".

I named her in the OP
Natalie Holloway. The coverage was 24x7 for months

What message are we to take from these? What interest does it further? I saw someone say, "This is why I don't date" in regards to Gabby case. 6B4T? LOL

That may be cheating since it's a kid, otoh, everyone still remembers it.

I can recall the weird Mormon one, Elizabeth Smart?

That blonde girl who went to Bermuda and prob got killed by her boyfriend..

Does OJ killing his blonde wife count? Might be bonus points actually.

Maybe if we're counting murders, that murdered model in SA by the Olympian "blade runner."

Can't think of a single POC, but maybe I don't watch enough Dateline. To be fair, can't think of an old fat woman either.

You don't remember the Hart family?

 

Bitek

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You don't remember the Hart family?


Oh yeah.. That was fked up... But somehow I remember it as being a Dad that did it.