For the longest time now, I've only heard about the religon of Islam but not in detail. I understand how Muhammed is their patriarch, and how they said he rose to heaven and such. What I am really puzzled and interested in is Islam's ties to Judaism and Christianity. From what I've heard, they are actually closely linked. The God in the Koran sounds like the God of the Bible. I even heard that Jesus is in the Koran. Any experts of both religions want to make some points and differences and similarities for discussion?
What is Islam?
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October 29, 2001
The Newsweek (Magazine) on that date has a REALLY good article (cover story actually) about Islam and its origins and relationship to judaism AND christianity. It would be in your best interest to head on over to a library and check it out. Unfortunately I 1. don't remember and 2. am going to sleep.
Good luck.
The Newsweek (Magazine) on that date has a REALLY good article (cover story actually) about Islam and its origins and relationship to judaism AND christianity. It would be in your best interest to head on over to a library and check it out. Unfortunately I 1. don't remember and 2. am going to sleep.
Good luck.
From what my Muslim friends telling me. Islam is after the Judiasm and Christianity. They believe in the same god, and the Arabians are the sons of Abraham ( according to Judiasm and Christian Bible, he is the older son of Abraham and his servant, or something like that ). The religion also follow the first 5 book of Bible, and belive in the same god as Judiasm and Christianity. They believe Jesus is a good guy, but not the son of god.
Islam considers itself to be a reform of Judaism and Christianity. That's why it's one of the three "Abraham's Religions".
Legendary gave you some good advice.
The short version: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam share monotheistic beliefs and if you combine the 5 pillars of Islam with their basic moral code you basically get the Ten Commandments. Much in the same way Christianity is a derivative of Judaism, Islam can be considered another derivative of monotheistic faith. Muslims embrace Jesus as a prophet but Muhammad takes precedence as a later prophet much the same way as Jesus supercedes all who conveyed the Word before him but Muhammad more closely resembles Joseph Smith b/c unlike Jesus of Christianity; Muslims do not worship Muhammad and Mormons do not worship Joseph Smith.
Short and sweet summary of Islam from a believer
The short version: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam share monotheistic beliefs and if you combine the 5 pillars of Islam with their basic moral code you basically get the Ten Commandments. Much in the same way Christianity is a derivative of Judaism, Islam can be considered another derivative of monotheistic faith. Muslims embrace Jesus as a prophet but Muhammad takes precedence as a later prophet much the same way as Jesus supercedes all who conveyed the Word before him but Muhammad more closely resembles Joseph Smith b/c unlike Jesus of Christianity; Muslims do not worship Muhammad and Mormons do not worship Joseph Smith.
Short and sweet summary of Islam from a believer
And the shortest version is Christianity = Judaism = Islam, but God said the only ones who can eat pork are the Christians.
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<< And the shortest version is Christianity = Judaism = Islam, but God said the only ones who can eat pork are the Christians.
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lol
It's wierd. I'm reading more into those big three and they are in fact all essentially the same with a different translation and viewpoint. Am I missing something here or is that true?
I could come up with a list of why native americans should have America
oops, wrong thread . . .
It's wierd. I'm reading more into those big three and they are in fact all essentially the same with a different translation and viewpoint. Am I missing something here or is that true?
And the shortest version is Christianity = Judaism = Islam, but God said the only ones who can eat pork are the Christians.
Reductionist (and funny) but essentially true. Now fundamentalists of each will claim the distinctions make a huge difference and the truth is that they do. Jesus can't be the only way to salvation for Christians, just another prophet to Muslims, and a historical blip to Jews. Jesus is certainly not the Messiah of Judaism . . . unless of course you ask a Christian that question.
oops, wrong thread . . .
It's wierd. I'm reading more into those big three and they are in fact all essentially the same with a different translation and viewpoint. Am I missing something here or is that true?
And the shortest version is Christianity = Judaism = Islam, but God said the only ones who can eat pork are the Christians.
Reductionist (and funny) but essentially true. Now fundamentalists of each will claim the distinctions make a huge difference and the truth is that they do. Jesus can't be the only way to salvation for Christians, just another prophet to Muslims, and a historical blip to Jews. Jesus is certainly not the Messiah of Judaism . . . unless of course you ask a Christian that question.
<< It's wierd. I'm reading more into those big three and they are in fact all essentially the same with a different translation and viewpoint. Am I missing something here or is that true? >>
The Islam does not believe in magic or miracles, quite unlike the Bible. It sees Jesus as a prophet, and the Bible as a book written by humans and containing errors. The Quran is their final religious book which corrects the errors from the previous books, and it is dictated by God (Allah) to Muhammed.
Muhammed could not read or write, so what he did was dictate it to several others in private, then let other people read it to him to see if they had written it like he had said. The Bible has been written by several people, and therefor contains the views of all of them, and often conflicts with itself for that reason. The Bible has been rewritten and re-translated several times, parts have been altered, added or removed from it to suit the views of those in charge at that time. The Quran does not have that problem, which makes it much easier for its followers to believe it to be fully true once they started believing in part. Rather than altering the book to suit the culture, language and demands of the people, the islamic world changed itself to suit the book.
The disadvantage of this is the passage of time. Things do not stay the same, and something important back then may not be important anymore. Due to the close integration of religion and society it is quite hard for a government to even suggest changes, as people may see it as wrong. Just like Catholicism in the middle ages in Europe wielded the ultimate power, so is the Islam very strongly represented in those societies. Changes go slow in many of those countries, like Iran was slowly getting more open and democratic (at least until Bush decided to insult them, giving back all power to the religious fanatics) and like the current king of Morocco is doing too. Some of them don't change at all though, especially in a time of war it is easy for religious leaders to hold on to their power or to gain more (people can be very religious when they're afraid to die).
The Bible ignores any reason God may have for creating humanity, while the Quran claims God created mankind to worship him (ignoring the fact that an omnipotent being doesn't have much use for being worshipped).
Anyway, gotto get back to work here, will post more later.
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Islam, Christianity and Judaism are the three worst religions of the world.
All three pieces of sh$t.
All biblical religions are "do this do that" crap type to which any person with reasonable logic and scientific thinking will loathe.
Adam and eve copulated and our species started. What a load of BS. So why race did Adam and Eve belong to? Black? White? Mongoloid?
Jesus christ could not save himsef. How will he save the world?
Muhammed was a child molester. His third wife, Aisha was only 9 when he married her. He was 40 + that time.
Abrabham lived for 300 years. He cloned himself 4 times actually. Or maybe he lived long due to inter-breeding the jewish way.
Religion is man made. God is man made. But is man God made, that has to be proved. No POPE or Rabi or Mullah has the answer.
Only Science has.
How can anyone who studies science believe in the PROPAGANDA that is religion?
All trouble in world is caused by these 3 major religions.
Wish we never had them in first place.:disgust:
All three pieces of sh$t.
All biblical religions are "do this do that" crap type to which any person with reasonable logic and scientific thinking will loathe.
Adam and eve copulated and our species started. What a load of BS. So why race did Adam and Eve belong to? Black? White? Mongoloid?
Jesus christ could not save himsef. How will he save the world?
Muhammed was a child molester. His third wife, Aisha was only 9 when he married her. He was 40 + that time.
Abrabham lived for 300 years. He cloned himself 4 times actually. Or maybe he lived long due to inter-breeding the jewish way.
Religion is man made. God is man made. But is man God made, that has to be proved. No POPE or Rabi or Mullah has the answer.
Only Science has.
How can anyone who studies science believe in the PROPAGANDA that is religion?
All trouble in world is caused by these 3 major religions.
Wish we never had them in first place.:disgust:
Kadarin
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<< ...<snip>...but God said the only ones who can eat pork are the Christians. >>
Mmmmm.. pork. You know, pork (the "other" white meat) is quite good, particularly "sweet&sour pork" and pork chops. And who can forget salami, Italian sausage, and SPAM? My opinion is that when religion is so invasive that it tells you what you can and can't eat, it's time to chuck the religion into the nearest dumpster and to live your life in some rational manner. Maybe someday humanity will outgrow the "need" for religion, but I'm not holding my breath...
And whatsup with the praying to allah 5 times a day deal...was that always in the koran? they are really into "worshipping" god aren't they.
<< And whatsup with the praying to allah 5 times a day deal...was that always in the koran? they are really into "worshipping" god aren't they. >>
That's an obligation for them. So is giving part of the money you can miss to the poor, vasting during the Ramadan, and visiting Mekka once in your lifetime (if you are able to). They see it as a way of showing Allah their dedication. It's passed down over the centuries and was never changed. That's also the reason for the way women are treated: In those days women were just about less than slaves in a lot of parts, and the Islam was quite liberal compared to that. But nowadays the world changed, while their ways of treating women did not. (The way women had to go clothed in Afghanistan under the Taliban was not Islamic btw, the Islam does not tell them to cover up totally)
Christianity used to know stuff like vasting too, but that watered down over the centuries and is not much practiced anymore. The Bible doesn't say that you must go to church, pray, give to the poor, or anything like that. And that is for most people a reason not to do anything like that either, and still call themselves Christians. All the profits, none of the trouble.
<< For the longest time now, I've only heard about the religon of Islam but not in detail. I understand how Muhammed is their patriarch, and how they said he rose to heaven and such. What I am really puzzled and interested in is Islam's ties to Judaism and Christianity. From what I've heard, they are actually closely linked. The God in the Koran sounds like the God of the Bible. I even heard that Jesus is in the Koran. Any experts of both religions want to make some points and differences and similarities for discussion? >>
Cancer,
Best place for an educational discussion on islam would be: Jannah.org Message Boards
Peace,
-Ali
<< It's wierd. I'm reading more into those big three and they are in fact all essentially the same with a different translation and viewpoint. Am I missing something here or is that true? >>
Isn't that what all religions are? I believe that law begat religion, and since most societies have the same basic laws, they all end up with the same basic religion. Call it what you want, it's all the same belief system.
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