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K1052

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: Frackal
Are you willing to bet your life on Iranian restraint sonoma?

It's called mutaul anilation, google it. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, let's not play favorites.

Considering this is a nation who openly supports the use of "suicide" bombers. I dont think they are considering the aftermath, only the initial hit on Israel or the EU.

Remember they have 40 virgins waiting for them if they commit suicide in the name of Allah.

MAD only works if the other person is afraid to die.

That could be a wrinkle here.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: Frackal
Are you willing to bet your life on Iranian restraint sonoma?

It's called mutaul anilation, google it. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, let's not play favorites.

Considering this is a nation who openly supports the use of "suicide" bombers. I dont think they are considering the aftermath, only the initial hit on Israel or the EU.

Remember they have 40 virgins waiting for them if they commit suicide in the name of Allah.

MAD only works if the other person is afraid to die.

That could be a wrinkle here.


A huge wrinkle, now do we want another N. Korea where we fiddled around with them talking for 10 years until it was to late? Or do we want to nip this in the ass before it gets out of hand?


 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: Frackal
Are you willing to bet your life on Iranian restraint sonoma?

It's called mutaul anilation, google it. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, let's not play favorites.

Considering this is a nation who openly supports the use of "suicide" bombers. I dont think they are considering the aftermath, only the initial hit on Israel or the EU.

Remember they have 40 virgins waiting for them if they commit suicide in the name of Allah.

I think you dont know what you are talking about and should do some research before you make comments such as this.

EDIT: I dont think... I know for a fact you do not know what you are talking about.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: Frackal
Are you willing to bet your life on Iranian restraint sonoma?

It's called mutaul anilation, google it. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, let's not play favorites.

Considering this is a nation who openly supports the use of "suicide" bombers. I dont think they are considering the aftermath, only the initial hit on Israel or the EU.

Remember they have 40 virgins waiting for them if they commit suicide in the name of Allah.

I think you dont know what you are talking about and should do some research before you make comments such as this.

EDIT: I dont think... I know for a fact you do not know what you are talking about.

Oh? Maybe I got the number of virgins wrong. Sorry.


 

Meuge

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Originally posted by: AragornTK
if Iran was interested in legitimate nuclear power, they would accept russia's offer to just give them enriched uranium...

the reason this is different is because weapons grade uranium is highly concentrated, where as uranium for power has <3% uranium in fuel rods
QFT.

Thank you.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: Frackal
Are you willing to bet your life on Iranian restraint sonoma?

It's called mutaul anilation, google it. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, let's not play favorites.

Considering this is a nation who openly supports the use of "suicide" bombers. I dont think they are considering the aftermath, only the initial hit on Israel or the EU.

Remember they have 40 virgins waiting for them if they commit suicide in the name of Allah.

I think you dont know what you are talking about and should do some research before you make comments such as this.

EDIT: I dont think... I know for a fact you do not know what you are talking about.

Oh? Maybe I got the number of virgins wrong. Sorry.

Nowhere in Islam does it say anything about a virgin heaven.

You lack the ability to discuss this topic. Step out of the thread.
 

Todd33

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You guys are either racist or naive. Yes, everyone but us and Israel is nuts and wants to die.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: Frackal
Are you willing to bet your life on Iranian restraint sonoma?

It's called mutaul anilation, google it. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, let's not play favorites.

Considering this is a nation who openly supports the use of "suicide" bombers. I dont think they are considering the aftermath, only the initial hit on Israel or the EU.

Remember they have 40 virgins waiting for them if they commit suicide in the name of Allah.

I think you dont know what you are talking about and should do some research before you make comments such as this.

EDIT: I dont think... I know for a fact you do not know what you are talking about.

Oh? Maybe I got the number of virgins wrong. Sorry.

Nowhere in Islam does it say anything about a virgin heaven.

You lack the ability to discuss this topic. Step out of the thread.

Oh, then OBL is telling them a lie.

Somebody should inform them.

However lets just overlook the other part of my reponse, Iranian support of suicide bombers and their recent rantings about Israel and the Holocaust.


 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: Frackal
Are you willing to bet your life on Iranian restraint sonoma?

It's called mutaul anilation, google it. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, let's not play favorites.

Considering this is a nation who openly supports the use of "suicide" bombers. I dont think they are considering the aftermath, only the initial hit on Israel or the EU.

Remember they have 40 virgins waiting for them if they commit suicide in the name of Allah.

I think you dont know what you are talking about and should do some research before you make comments such as this.

EDIT: I dont think... I know for a fact you do not know what you are talking about.

Oh? Maybe I got the number of virgins wrong. Sorry.

Nowhere in Islam does it say anything about a virgin heaven.

You lack the ability to discuss this topic. Step out of the thread.

Oh, then OBL is telling them a lie.

Somebody should inform them.

However lets just overlook the other part of my reponse, Iranian support of suicide bombers and their recent rantings about Israel and the Holocaust.

What does OBL have to do with Iran?
Answer? Nothing

OBL is not a prophet. He is a man. He has nothing to do with the religion of Islam.
Common Sense. Where is it?

How does Iran support suicide bombers? Please share your knowledge. Iran supports Hezbollah which was created by Iran to get Israel out of an occupied land (Lebanon).

As a nation Iran does not support suicide bombers. They are the largest country with the largest population to border Iraq. Number of Iranian suicide bombers in Iraq? Zero.

Like I said you have no idea what it is you are talking about. It is as if all you ever did was read Texas Daily and all your source of knowledge regarding this topic comes from there.
 

kage69

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You guys thrive on fear. Why are you afraid of Iran? Have they attacked Israel or the US with their current WMD stockpiles? If they attacked Israel, you know damn well they wouldn't survive past the first 48 hrs.

Sez you. It's unknown if they have them currently, it's just that they obviously make an already unsettling situation even worse. I take it you don't recall Tehran directing it's terrorist connections to take out our Marine barracks in Beirut back in the 80s? Ever heard of Hezbollah? A country which advocates reducing it's neighbors to glass, and has proved willing to take American lives through terrorism. This should be a no-brainer folks.
A fundamental Muslim theocracy with a history of killing through international terrorism wants to develop nuclear weapons. Gee, what's the worst that could happen?


I think a better question would be, why aren't you concerned about Iran's aspirations? If France and Germany are right next to us in putting the collective foot down, that should tell you something.
 

EXman

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Originally posted by: sonoma1993
Originally posted by: conehead433
Originally posted by: sonoma1993

They currently do not have nuclear weapons. They have facilities that are working on uranium enrichment, which they claim is for nuclear power plants. Aparently they will not even be allowed to have nuclear power plants as the possiblity of them using the enriched uranium for weapons is too great a risk for the world to allow. You can be certain that strategic air strikes against these facilities will take place some time in the near future if diplomatic talks break down completely.

In my opinion, i think Iran should be allow to have nuclear power plants, they should even be allow to have nuclear weapons also even they dont ever plan on using them. I think the problem is, that the nations that have nuclear weapons already are afraid of losing power over nations that dont have nukes. When one nation has nukes, they can use that fear of the nukes and get there way with any other nation for the most part.

Holy cow are you a goober you want them to have nukes? WTF I hope you don't vote.
 

GoPackGo

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People, its called divide and conquer.

First Afghanistan, then Iraq, Syria is playing nice, now Iran.
 

OrByte

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FEAR!! TERROR!!! WMDs!!!! OH NOOO!!

hmmmm...have we heard this before?

if any of you are buying into this latest round of propoganda then that is REALLY sad. Is Iran working on a nuclear program? Yes. Does that mean they are going to launch weapons the moment they have the capability? NO. Use your heads guys, this is a country that harbors ill will towards the west, BUT doesnt want to see an end to their world anymore than we do. Especially now that Iraq is up for grabs. Its all about manuevering for control of the middle east. Iran is in the game just as much as the US is.

If we solve this problem without the use of military force it will have renewed my faith in our government. But I am not going to bet on it.
 

nineball9

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Originally posted by: AragornTK
if Iran was interested in legitimate nuclear power, they would accept russia's offer to just give them enriched uranium...

the reason this is different is because weapons grade uranium is highly concentrated, where as uranium for power has <3% uranium in fuel rods

Fuel rods ("uranium for power") are 80% - 90% or more uranium; percentage varies on reactor design, various forms of processing and fuel rod design. Most of the uranium is U238 which is non-fissile; thermal and light-water reactors have 3% or less U235, which is fissile.

 

envy me

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The greater threat to security in the middle east is Israel. They already posess nuclear weapons, and use them constantly to blackmail/threaten surrounding countries.

I think Iran should pre-emtively strike Israel and destroy the nuclear facility in Dimona.

Pre-emtive strikes aren't reserved for only Israel and America.

 

SMOKE20

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Originally posted by: envy me

The greater threat to security in the middle east is Israel. They already posess nuclear weapons, and use them constantly to blackmail/threaten surrounding countries.

I think Iran should pre-emtively strike Israel and destroy the nuclear facility in Dimona.

Pre-emtive strikes aren't reserved for only Israel and America.

That's all fine and good, but how do you suppose they go about this? Missilies would be detected almost immeadiately and answered 10 fold by Israeli missiles and air force. An air strike would be disastourous as their air force consists of around 300 againg birds and some prots of hybrids they have pieced together..........

 

envy me

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Originally posted by: SMOKE20
Originally posted by: envy me

The greater threat to security in the middle east is Israel. They already posess nuclear weapons, and use them constantly to blackmail/threaten surrounding countries.

I think Iran should pre-emtively strike Israel and destroy the nuclear facility in Dimona.

Pre-emtive strikes aren't reserved for only Israel and America.

That's all fine and good, but how do you suppose they go about this? Missilies would be detected almost immeadiately and answered 10 fold by Israeli missiles and air force. An air strike would be disastourous as their air force consists of around 300 againg birds and some prots of hybrids they have pieced together..........

Good question. Whatever does happen in the future. I think that Russia and China will have just as much of a say in the outcome as America does. I've noticed Iran acting alot braver lately and that could be one reason for it.

 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: SMOKE20
Originally posted by: envy me

The greater threat to security in the middle east is Israel. They already posess nuclear weapons, and use them constantly to blackmail/threaten surrounding countries.

I think Iran should pre-emtively strike Israel and destroy the nuclear facility in Dimona.

Pre-emtive strikes aren't reserved for only Israel and America.

That's all fine and good, but how do you suppose they go about this? Missilies would be detected almost immeadiately and answered 10 fold by Israeli missiles and air force. An air strike would be disastourous as their air force consists of around 300 againg birds and some prots of hybrids they have pieced together..........

Israel's air force does not have the capability to go into Iran on a daily basis to do bombing runs. They don't even have the ability to take out their nuclear capabilities without the U.S's help.

Israel's air froce consist of no stealth bombers or fighters. They cannot go to Iran undetected by Iranian air defense systems.

Also Iran does have the capability and means to fire missiles at Israel's nuclear reactor. Iran already has 300-500 older Shab-3 missiles which they can launch to fool Israel's missile defense sheild which is not even 100% accurate. Then they can launch the real Shab-3 missiles.
 

Meuge

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: SMOKE20
Originally posted by: envy me

The greater threat to security in the middle east is Israel. They already posess nuclear weapons, and use them constantly to blackmail/threaten surrounding countries.

I think Iran should pre-emtively strike Israel and destroy the nuclear facility in Dimona.

Pre-emtive strikes aren't reserved for only Israel and America.

That's all fine and good, but how do you suppose they go about this? Missilies would be detected almost immeadiately and answered 10 fold by Israeli missiles and air force. An air strike would be disastourous as their air force consists of around 300 againg birds and some prots of hybrids they have pieced together..........
Israel's air froce consist of no stealth bombers or fighters. They cannot go to Iran undetected by Iranian air defense systems.
Neither can the U.S.

The latest Russian radar systems that have been installed in key areas in Iran are fully capable of detecting and targeting the "stealth" craft. The only difference is that they can only do so at shorter range than the non-stealth objects. [/quote]

 

FuzzyBee

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Originally posted by: Looney

You guys thrive on fear. Why are you afraid of Iran? Have they attacked Israel or the US with their current WMD stockpiles? If they attacked Israel, you know damn well they wouldn't survive past the first 48 hrs.

Considering that "Mr Ahmadinejad appears to believe that these events [the apacolypse] are close at hand and that ordinary mortals can influence the divine timetable", I don't really think he cares. link
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: Looney

You guys thrive on fear. Why are you afraid of Iran? Have they attacked Israel or the US with their current WMD stockpiles? If they attacked Israel, you know damn well they wouldn't survive past the first 48 hrs.

Considering that "Mr Ahmadinejad appears to believe that these events [the apacolypse] are close at hand and that ordinary mortals can influence the divine timetable", I don't really think he cares. link

Well isnt that special?

 

SMOKE20

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: SMOKE20
Originally posted by: envy me

The greater threat to security in the middle east is Israel. They already posess nuclear weapons, and use them constantly to blackmail/threaten surrounding countries.

I think Iran should pre-emtively strike Israel and destroy the nuclear facility in Dimona.

Pre-emtive strikes aren't reserved for only Israel and America.

That's all fine and good, but how do you suppose they go about this? Missilies would be detected almost immeadiately and answered 10 fold by Israeli missiles and air force. An air strike would be disastourous as their air force consists of around 300 againg birds and some prots of hybrids they have pieced together..........

Israel's air force does not have the capability to go into Iran on a daily basis to do bombing runs. They don't even have the ability to take out their nuclear capabilities without the U.S's help.

Israel's air froce consist of no stealth bombers or fighters. They cannot go to Iran undetected by Iranian air defense systems.

Also Iran does have the capability and means to fire missiles at Israel's nuclear reactor. Iran already has 300-500 older Shab-3 missiles which they can launch to fool Israel's missile defense sheild which is not even 100% accurate. Then they can launch the real Shab-3 missiles.

I doubt they would plan sustained sorties. Surgical strikes with the specialized F15/F16's they have along with surgical missile strikes.

Iran definately has the capability of striking Israel, and Israel has the capability of striking back much more severely and Iran knows this.

 

Meuge

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Originally posted by: FuzzyBee
Originally posted by: Looney

You guys thrive on fear. Why are you afraid of Iran? Have they attacked Israel or the US with their current WMD stockpiles? If they attacked Israel, you know damn well they wouldn't survive past the first 48 hrs.

Considering that "Mr Ahmadinejad appears to believe that these events [the apacolypse] are close at hand and that ordinary mortals can influence the divine timetable", I don't really think he cares. link
He seems to share this belief with our president.
 

SMOKE20

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Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: SMOKE20
Originally posted by: envy me

The greater threat to security in the middle east is Israel. They already posess nuclear weapons, and use them constantly to blackmail/threaten surrounding countries.

I think Iran should pre-emtively strike Israel and destroy the nuclear facility in Dimona.

Pre-emtive strikes aren't reserved for only Israel and America.

That's all fine and good, but how do you suppose they go about this? Missilies would be detected almost immeadiately and answered 10 fold by Israeli missiles and air force. An air strike would be disastourous as their air force consists of around 300 againg birds and some prots of hybrids they have pieced together..........
Israel's air froce consist of no stealth bombers or fighters. They cannot go to Iran undetected by Iranian air defense systems.
Neither can the U.S.

The latest Russian radar systems that have been installed in key areas in Iran are fully capable of detecting and targeting the "stealth" craft. The only difference is that they can only do so at shorter range than the non-stealth objects.

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You would be speaking of the S300 systems. Iran currently has 3 of these operational by their own admission.

 

Meuge

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Each with 12-24 tubes, with each missile having a 85%+ kill ratio. That's 30-60 guaranteed hits on target.