What is Iran doing and why is the world worried?

[Alistar7]

good read....


"Iran is believed to have used the North Korean Nodong missile ? capable of carrying a nuclear payload ? as a model to develop its Shahab missiles, which can strike Israel and much of Europe."



http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-01-17-iran-QA_x.htm?csp=N009

Q: If Iran sought to make a nuclear weapon, how long would it take?

A: That's uncertain. Iran still has yet to enrich uranium in large quantities.

The Washington, D.C.-based Institute for Science and International Security predicts Iran would need a year to get its enrichment equipment working properly and then 18 months or so to make bomb-grade material and other weapon components. Factoring in inevitable setbacks and complications, the institute calculates Iran could have its first bomb by 2009.

Q: What's the status of diplomatic efforts to stop Iran's enrichment program?

A: The United States is trying to bring Iran before the five-member United Nations Security Council, potentially for a vote on economic sanctions. Each member of the panel has veto power over any measures that come before it. So far, three Security Council members ? China, Russia and France ? have voiced reluctance to endorse sanctions against Iran just yet.

Q: Are there any feasible military options?

A: Yes, but they likely would require extensive bombing and result in huge civilian casualties. Iran has spread its nuclear program out over more than a dozen major facilities, some 75 feet or more underground. Many are near cities.

 

[Aimster]

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Iran has bought 18 BM-25 missiles from North Korea which the Islamic Republic wants to transform to extend their range, the German press reported Dec. 16.

?Iran has bought 18 disassembled BM-25 missiles from North Korea with a range of 2,500 kilometers (1,553 miles),? Bild newspaper said, citing a report from the German secret services.
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These are for their future missiles Shab-4 and Shab-5 which there is very little information about.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
good read....


"Iran is believed to have used the North Korean Nodong missile ? capable of carrying a nuclear payload ? as a model to develop its Shahab missiles, which can strike Israel and much of Europe."



http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-01-17-iran-QA_x.htm?csp=N009

Q: If Iran sought to make a nuclear weapon, how long would it take?

A: That's uncertain. Iran still has yet to enrich uranium in large quantities.

The Washington, D.C.-based Institute for Science and International Security predicts Iran would need a year to get its enrichment equipment working properly and then 18 months or so to make bomb-grade material and other weapon components. Factoring in inevitable setbacks and complications, the institute calculates Iran could have its first bomb by 2009.

Q: What's the status of diplomatic efforts to stop Iran's enrichment program?

A: The United States is trying to bring Iran before the five-member United Nations Security Council, potentially for a vote on economic sanctions. Each member of the panel has veto power over any measures that come before it. So far, three Security Council members ? China, Russia and France ? have voiced reluctance to endorse sanctions against Iran just yet.

Q: Are there any feasible military options?

A: Yes, but they likely would require extensive bombing and result in huge civilian casualties. Iran has spread its nuclear program out over more than a dozen major facilities, some 75 feet or more underground. Many are near cities.

Bombing their facilities might prove to be pretty difficult. We fly into Iranian airspace all the time, trying to get them to light up their air defenses so we can identify locations. but they never turn them on.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Alistar7
good read....


"Iran is believed to have used the North Korean Nodong missile ? capable of carrying a nuclear payload ? as a model to develop its Shahab missiles, which can strike Israel and much of Europe."



http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-01-17-iran-QA_x.htm?csp=N009

Q: If Iran sought to make a nuclear weapon, how long would it take?

A: That's uncertain. Iran still has yet to enrich uranium in large quantities.

The Washington, D.C.-based Institute for Science and International Security predicts Iran would need a year to get its enrichment equipment working properly and then 18 months or so to make bomb-grade material and other weapon components. Factoring in inevitable setbacks and complications, the institute calculates Iran could have its first bomb by 2009.

Q: What's the status of diplomatic efforts to stop Iran's enrichment program?

A: The United States is trying to bring Iran before the five-member United Nations Security Council, potentially for a vote on economic sanctions. Each member of the panel has veto power over any measures that come before it. So far, three Security Council members ? China, Russia and France ? have voiced reluctance to endorse sanctions against Iran just yet.

Q: Are there any feasible military options?

A: Yes, but they likely would require extensive bombing and result in huge civilian casualties. Iran has spread its nuclear program out over more than a dozen major facilities, some 75 feet or more underground. Many are near cities.

Bombing their facilities might prove to be pretty difficult. We fly into Iranian airspace all the time, trying to get them to light up their air defenses so we can identify locations. but they never turn them on.

This is true. They watched what happend in Iraq and they learned.

However, if the U.S has like 10,000 drone ships (I doubt they even have 100) they could just send them all in Iran at once and send in the jets along with them at the same time.
This could make it very problematic for the air defense systems.

(This is assuming they cannot tell the difference between jets and drones - I have no idea how air defense systems work).

The same could be said about Israel's missile defense system. Iran has about 300-500 old Shab-3 missiles which they can launch at Israel and Israeli defense systems will launch their missiles at the Shab-3s. Iran can then launch the real Shab-3 Missiles and strike Israel.

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Alistar7
good read....


"Iran is believed to have used the North Korean Nodong missile ? capable of carrying a nuclear payload ? as a model to develop its Shahab missiles, which can strike Israel and much of Europe."



http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-01-17-iran-QA_x.htm?csp=N009

Q: If Iran sought to make a nuclear weapon, how long would it take?

A: That's uncertain. Iran still has yet to enrich uranium in large quantities.

The Washington, D.C.-based Institute for Science and International Security predicts Iran would need a year to get its enrichment equipment working properly and then 18 months or so to make bomb-grade material and other weapon components. Factoring in inevitable setbacks and complications, the institute calculates Iran could have its first bomb by 2009.

Q: What's the status of diplomatic efforts to stop Iran's enrichment program?

A: The United States is trying to bring Iran before the five-member United Nations Security Council, potentially for a vote on economic sanctions. Each member of the panel has veto power over any measures that come before it. So far, three Security Council members ? China, Russia and France ? have voiced reluctance to endorse sanctions against Iran just yet.

Q: Are there any feasible military options?

A: Yes, but they likely would require extensive bombing and result in huge civilian casualties. Iran has spread its nuclear program out over more than a dozen major facilities, some 75 feet or more underground. Many are near cities.

Bombing their facilities might prove to be pretty difficult. We fly into Iranian airspace all the time, trying to get them to light up their air defenses so we can identify locations. but they never turn them on.

This is true. They watched what happend in Iraq and they learned.

However, if the U.S has like 10,000 drone ships (I doubt they even have 100) they could just send them all in Iran at once and send in the jets along with them at the same time.
This could make it very problematic for the air defense systems.

(This is assuming they cannot tell the difference between jets and drones - I have no idea how air defense systems work).

The same could be said about Israel's missile defense system. Iran has about 300-500 old Shab-3 missiles which they can launch at Israel and Israeli defense systems will launch their missiles at the Shab-3s. Iran can then launch the real Shab-3 Missiles and strike Israel.

Starcraft?

 

[Todd33]

Oil prices high = boldness. Iran is a flush in oil money and the ability to get away with a lot due to their exports. This world is run by energy consumers and producers.

 

[conehead433]

A missle range of <1600 miles can't reach the US, so they are not a threat to us. The only likely country they would attack would be Israel, which has enough nukes to wipe Iran off the face of the earth. They are supposedly a minimum of 5 years away from having a nuclear weapon. The most serious threat here is that G.W. Bush wants us all to believe that we need to do something about Iran now or in the very immediate future. Can you connect the dots. Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan. We get to open a previously unfinished oil pipeline in Afghanistan, now we can stay in control in Iraq even though the country is leaning towards Civil War. It's a ridiculous notion that we can invade or take over Iran as well, maybe a few strategic air strikes on their nuclear facilities. So why not let the region take care of itself. Israel is far better at military strikes than the US and would certainly destroy Iran if it came to that in order to protect itself. They showed amazing restrait in the Gulf War but not leveling Iraq after being targeted with the scud missles. Sadly Bush sees himself as the savior of the world.

 

[sonoma1993]

what happens if the United States and any other country goes in with us and bomb the hell out of iran and find no nuclear weapons, they just find plain ol nuclear power plants?

 

[conehead433]

Originally posted by: sonoma1993
what happens if the United States and any other country goes in with us and bomb the hell out of iran and find no nuclear weapons, they just find plain ol nuclear power plants?

They currently do not have nuclear weapons. They have facilities that are working on uranium enrichment, which they claim is for nuclear power plants. Aparently they will not even be allowed to have nuclear power plants as the possiblity of them using the enriched uranium for weapons is too great a risk for the world to allow. You can be certain that strategic air strikes against these facilities will take place some time in the near future if diplomatic talks break down completely.

 

[sonoma1993]

Originally posted by: conehead433

Originally posted by: sonoma1993

They currently do not have nuclear weapons. They have facilities that are working on uranium enrichment, which they claim is for nuclear power plants. Aparently they will not even be allowed to have nuclear power plants as the possiblity of them using the enriched uranium for weapons is too great a risk for the world to allow. You can be certain that strategic air strikes against these facilities will take place some time in the near future if diplomatic talks break down completely.

In my opinion, i think Iran should be allow to have nuclear power plants, they should even be allow to have nuclear weapons also even they dont ever plan on using them. I think the problem is, that the nations that have nuclear weapons already are afraid of losing power over nations that dont have nukes. When one nation has nukes, they can use that fear of the nukes and get there way with any other nation for the most part.

 

[Polish3d]

Are you willing to bet your life on Iranian restraint sonoma?

 

[maluckey]

sonoma1993

Israel today, who is their target tomorrow??? IF it was your house would you be so glib??

 

[bctbct]

what prevents Iran from buying weapons? They have the funds and according to Bush they are the biggest haven for terrorists (heard that before)

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Are you willing to bet your life on Iranian restraint sonoma?

It's called mutaul anilation, google it. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, let's not play favorites.

 

[novon]

Did you learn nothing from the Iraq war? There is no nuclear threat. Don't fall for the same mistake twice. They only reason the US is confronting Iran is because Iran wants to sell oil in non-US dollars and this weakens the US economy, same reason they invaded Iraq.

Why should we bomb a country and kill people just so we can obtain more meaningless possessions? It's not worth it, don't get fooled again by the nuclear story.

That being said, I don't think the rulers in Iran are good for the Iranian people, but bombing Iran would only lead to more death, more antiamericanism, and ending the possibility of the people of Iran supporting the US.

We should be scaling down our military and putting our money in innovation and the economy instead of playing with the world's countries and starting wars under lies.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Are you willing to bet your life on Iranian restraint sonoma?

Sounds better than risking my life because the US lacks restraint.

 

[AragornTK]

if Iran was interested in legitimate nuclear power, they would accept russia's offer to just give them enriched uranium...

the reason this is different is because weapons grade uranium is highly concentrated, where as uranium for power has <3% uranium in fuel rods

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Frackal
Are you willing to bet your life on Iranian restraint sonoma?

Sounds better than risking my life because the US lacks restraint.

the us has pretty damn good restraint considering we survived the cold war.

iran...they are not sane enough to be trusted with such a weapon. i'm sure there are plenty who would martyre their entire nation to wipe out israel.

the president of iran has already publically stated that israel should be wiped off the map..same with america. it tells you something that he thinks its perfectly acceptable to say something like that in public, that it would play well to his populous. sonoma said what he said because he clearly knows nothing about the situation.

Did you learn nothing from the Iraq war? There is no nuclear threat. Don't fall for the same mistake twice. They only reason the US is confronting Iran is because Iran wants to sell oil in non-US dollars and this weakens the US economy, same reason they invaded Iraq.

proliferation is always a threat, let alone with terrorist supporting regiems like the iranians. if proliferation is to be stopped, this has to be the example that shows it is unacceptable. if they get away with it, you can stop no one. and no danger? more nukes in more hands let alone hands like those of iran are more chances for disaster. i hope you don't support the un or multilateralism, because thats what iran is making a mockery of. or do you just hate america that much.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: sonoma1993


In my opinion, i think Iran should be allow to have nuclear power plants, they should even be allow to have nuclear weapons also even they dont ever plan on using them. I think the problem is, that the nations that have nuclear weapons already are afraid of losing power over nations that dont have nukes. When one nation has nukes, they can use that fear of the nukes and get there way with any other nation for the most part.

I don't thjink it is a matter of fearing a loss of power. It is more a matter of an unstable country controlling nuclear weapons. I don't like the thought of any country possesing weapons, ihnlcuding the U.S. But just look at what safeguards are in place for the U.S. to even use a nuclear weapon. Now compare that to a country like Iran. You can have a moderate government one second and an ultra extremist government the next second who thinks its Gods will to turn Israel into glass. There is no second chance with nukes.

 

[beyoku]

Last time i checked bush talked to god. And dont put all your faith in those puny nukes cause we know abou the power of the universe and the all man made human weapons "pale in comparison to the power of the force." -vader :/
I think the world is unstable and nobody Needs such weapons.
If i was god i would nuke the planet and start all over, yesterday.

 

[shuan24]

I thought the US has already declared war on nations that support terrorists? Its really a no-brainer if you ask me. The only reason why we are showing restraint is because Russia and China would be pissed if we did invade them. (because of their economic ties with Iran) Also it is ridiculous to think that we could not invade 3 countries at the same time.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: maluckey
sonoma1993

Israel today, who is their target tomorrow??? IF it was your house would you be so glib??

You guys thrive on fear. Why are you afraid of Iran? Have they attacked Israel or the US with their current WMD stockpiles? If they attacked Israel, you know damn well they wouldn't survive past the first 48 hrs.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: Looney

Originally posted by: maluckey
sonoma1993

Israel today, who is their target tomorrow??? IF it was your house would you be so glib??

You guys thrive on fear. Why are you afraid of Iran? Have they attacked Israel or the US with their current WMD stockpiles? If they attacked Israel, you know damn well they wouldn't survive past the first 48 hrs.

:thumbsup:

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: Frackal
Are you willing to bet your life on Iranian restraint sonoma?

It's called mutaul anilation, google it. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, let's not play favorites.

Considering this is a nation who openly supports the use of "suicide" bombers. I dont think they are considering the aftermath, only the initial hit on Israel or the EU.

Remember they have 40 virgins waiting for them if they commit suicide in the name of Allah.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: novon
Did you learn nothing from the Iraq war? There is no nuclear threat. Don't fall for the same mistake twice. They only reason the US is confronting Iran is because Iran wants to sell oil in non-US dollars and this weakens the US economy, same reason they invaded Iraq.

Why should we bomb a country and kill people just so we can obtain more meaningless possessions? It's not worth it, don't get fooled again by the nuclear story.

That being said, I don't think the rulers in Iran are good for the Iranian people, but bombing Iran would only lead to more death, more antiamericanism, and ending the possibility of the people of Iran supporting the US.

We should be scaling down our military and putting our money in innovation and the economy instead of playing with the world's countries and starting wars under lies.

Purchase a clue, the EU is shatting themselves on this more than we are.
And I doubt it is because Iran is going to sell Oil using their currency.