What is going on with Bank of America?

Dissipate

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If I am reading these numbers right, Bank of America's market cap is about half of its total equity!

Market cap is about 116 Billion according to google finance: http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:BAC

Total equity is about 230 Billion according to the latest report on its balance sheet: http://finapps.forbes.com/finapps/jsp/finance/compinfo/FinancialIndustrial.jsp?tkr=bac&period=qtr

Clearly the investors do not trust Bank of America's balance sheet and actually value the company at being worth half of its stated total equity. This is very fishy and someone should be investigating ASAP.

Another bailout for Bank of America?? Say it isn't so!

Bank of America Edges Closer to Tipping Point: Jonathan Weil
By Jonathan Weil - Nov 3, 2010
Bloomberg Opinion
It was only last April that Bank of America Corp. was making fools out of the doomsayers who had called for its nationalization a year earlier. Taxpayers had gotten their bailout cash back. Investors who bought its shares at the bottom were making a killing. Government leaders lauded the company’s rescues, both of them, as a great success.

Now the bank may be on the verge of trouble again. Its stock has fallen 41 percent since April 15. Mortgage-bond investors are demanding untold billions of dollars in refunds. The foreclosure fiasco is metastasizing. A member of the Troubled Asset Relief Program’s oversight panel, AFL-CIO attorney Damon Silvers, openly worried at a hearing last week about the risk that Bank of America might need another bailout.

A few more months like the last one, and we may be wishing Bank of America had never returned its $45 billion of TARP money.

You wouldn’t know there’s anything wrong with Bank of America by an initial look at its balance sheet. The company showed common shareholder equity, or book value, of $212.4 billion as of Sept. 30. And its regulatory capital ratios have risen steadily throughout the year.

Tipping Point

Judging by its shrinking stock price, though, investors are acting as if Bank of America is near a tipping point. Its market capitalization stands at $115.6 billion, or 54 percent of book value. That’s the second-lowest price-to-book ratio among the 24 companies in the KBW Bank Index, and well below the 76 percent ratio the company was at in October 2008 when it landed its first round of TARP dough. Put another way, the market is saying there’s a $96.8 billion hole in Bank of America’s balance sheet.

When I asked Jerry Dubrowski, a Bank of America spokesman, about the disparity, he said: “I’m not going to comment on the book value and the stock price.”

It may be the shares are a bargain at $11.52, if the company’s books are right. Another plausible scenario is that Bank of America’s management, led by Chief Executive Officer Brian Moynihan, has lost so much credibility with investors that the stock’s decline might start feeding on itself.

The problem for anyone trying to analyze Bank of America’s $2.3 trillion balance sheet is that it’s largely impenetrable. Some portions, though, are so delusional that they invite laughter. Consider, for instance, the way the company continues to account for its acquisition of Countrywide Financial, the disastrous subprime lender at the center of the housing bust, which it bought for $4.2 billion in July 2008.

Goodwill Purchase

Here’s how Bank of America allocated the purchase price for that deal. First, it determined that the fair value of the liabilities at Countrywide exceeded the mortgage lender’s assets by $200 million. Then it recorded $4.4 billion of goodwill, a ledger entry representing the difference between Countrywide’s net asset value and the purchase price.

That’s right. Countrywide’s goodwill supposedly was worth more than Countrywide itself. In other words, Bank of America paid $4.2 billion for the company, even though it thought the value there was less than zero.

Since completing that acquisition, Bank of America has dropped the Countrywide brand. The company’s home-loan division has reported $13.5 billion of pretax losses. Yet Bank of America still hasn’t written off any of its Countrywide goodwill.

Dubrowski, the company spokesman, declined to comment when I asked him why not. In its latest quarterly report with the SEC, Bank of America said it had determined the asset wasn’t impaired. It might as well be telling the public not to believe any of the numbers on its financial statements.

No Surprise

Combine that with Bank of America’s reaction to the robo- signer scandal. (Working on it! Wait, halt foreclosure sales! No, restart them! Whoops, still checking records!) Add in the $141.6 billion of home-equity loans on Bank of America’s books, the real value of which is unknown. And it should be no surprise that the company’s stock price has been plunging.

So, does Bank of America need to issue new common stock to raise capital? Its executives say no. They point to the usual regulatory benchmarks, as well as their own calculations of tangible common equity. This is a bare-bones capital gauge, showing a company’s ability to absorb future losses, which excludes preferred stock and most intangible assets.

Using Bank of America’s $129.5 billion figure for tangible common equity, though, that’s still about $14 billion more than the company’s market cap. So the market isn’t just discounting the intangibles, most of which don’t count in regulatory capital. Investors are wary of the company’s other numbers, too.

Artifice of Strength

The tough part for Bank of America executives is that the company’s future may be out of their hands. Writing off more worthless assets or boosting reserves for future losses might help their credibility. (The bank wrote off $10.4 billion of goodwill unrelated to Countrywide last quarter.) Or, the market might perceive such moves as a sign that the artifice of strength is broken. It’s hard to tell.

As for the government’s too-big-to-fail guarantee, it’s probably still there. But who knows? Republicans have won back the House. The answer is up in the air.

The only certainty is there is none, aside from the knowledge that Bank of America’s top executives have no idea what goes on inside the bowels of their company. For all we know the stock could double, or be a donut. The fate of the financial system hangs in the balance. Once again, we’re all on the hook.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...ipping-point-commentary-by-jonathan-weil.html
 
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brxndxn

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What's on Bank of American's balance sheets? Oh ya.. It's a bunch loans no longer being paid backed by houses worth half the loan value..

If the housing market recovers all of a sudden.. buy Bank of America.
 

Dissipate

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What's on Bank of American's balance sheets? Oh ya.. It's a bunch loans no longer being paid backed by houses worth half the loan value..

If the housing market recovers all of a sudden.. buy Bank of America.

So why isn't this fact being properly reflected in its balance sheet? This is very shady. How many companies have a market cap at half of its equity??
 

Thump553

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Market cap is an imprecise indicator. Going by market capitialization Apple is the second biggest company in the US (behind only Exxon). Stock price also greatly reflects investors' expectations as to future profitablity of companies, and obviously the market thinks BAC is in for continued rough sledding.

Who is this someone who should be investigating this and what should they do-command investors to buy BAC even if they don't want to? BAC's core businesses are already regulated. Absent any evidence of illegal stock price manipulation (doubtful- BAC has been down for a long time now) I'm content to let the market determine the value of this stock.

Incidentally if you go back 15-18 months when Steve Jobs was on hiatus because of his failing liver Apple was trading for less than book value after you deducted out its cash on hand.
 

Scotteq

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So why isn't this fact being properly reflected in its balance sheet? This is very shady. How many companies have a market cap at half of its equity??

..are you Bullish? or Bearish?

A Bull would recognize it as a buying opportunity.

A Bear would point at the controversy and sell short

A guy who really knew what he was doing (Warren Buffett) would check if BofA was over punished by the market (buy and hold). Or if they *were* fairly punished look for another company in the same sector who was unfairly pulled down with BofA, and buy that.
 

Dissipate

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..are you Bullish? or Bearish?

A Bull would recognize it as a buying opportunity.

A Bear would point at the controversy and sell short

A guy who really knew what he was doing (Warren Buffett) would check if BofA was over punished by the market (buy and hold). Or if they *were* fairly punished look for another company in the same sector who was unfairly pulled down with BofA, and buy that.

On Bank of America I don't know enough to say either way. The fact that the investors don't believe the company's balance sheet doesn't bode well though.

Over the long term and for the big picture I am very bearish. Short of a series of technological miracles that send the economy to soaring heights never before seen, we are in for some big big trouble.
 

piasabird

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BAC also purchased a large investment firm. They also own Country Companies a large Morgage company.
 

werepossum

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Simple - $4.2 billion of good will with the Obama administration and Congress.

LOL Ayabe.
 

Fern

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Some aspects of accounting can be quite precise and things can be verified with a high degree of certainty.

However, there are times you are dealing with nothing but estimates. One must hope that expertise, good judgement, subjectivity and good faith are employed in making these estimates.

Sounds questionable that the goodwill associated with the Countrywide acquisition hasn't been written down yet.

I'm guessing there is an enormous amount of pressure on their outside auditing firm. If BofA goes down they'll be left holding holding the bag. OTOH, if they give BofA a "going concern" flag (meaning it's future is in doubt) it would be disasterous for the bank. Tough spot.

Fern
 

lothar

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..are you Bullish? or Bearish?

A Bull would recognize it as a buying opportunity.

A Bear would point at the controversy and sell short

A guy who really knew what he was doing (Warren Buffett) would check if BofA was over punished by the market (buy and hold). Or if they *were* fairly punished look for another company in the same sector who was unfairly pulled down with BofA, and buy that.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/breakingthebank/

I am a bit neutral on BAC...
BAC has done many recent stupid acquisitions(MBNA, Countrywide, Merrill) in the past. The last good acquisition they did was Fleet Boston.

Instead of betting on BAC, pick another bank that has the same(or a bit less) rewards with much less risk.
WFC, BBT, JPM, and others are a much safer bet on a risk/reward basis. All those banks are expected to raise their dividends next year.

I also wouldn't short the stock either. Shorting stocks is against my principles.