What is going on in our military?

[GobBluth]

Sometimes I'll peruse the Army/AirForce Court of Criminal Appeals and read the opinions. I often wonder if I'm going to see a case against someone I knew. It is unbelievable how many court martial proceedings there are regarding sex offenses (rape, sexual assault, grooming, pornography, etc.), especially with minors. It's sickening really. So, I have to wonder, wtf is going on? Soldiers/Sailors/Airmen/Marines aren't robbing people or knocking of liquor stores, instead they are raping people and trying to seduce children.

Up-Skirt Photo case: https://www.jagcnet.army.mil/Apps/ACCAOpinions/ACCAOpinions.nsf/ODD/6DF16794785BD90785258247004C7DCD/$FILE/oc-smith, gh.pdf

Recording/Distributing Sexual content: https://afcca.law.af.mil/afcca_opinions/cp/bessmertnyy_-_39322.u_.pdf

Possession of Child Pornography: https://www.jagcnet.army.mil/Apps/ACCAOpinions/ACCAOpinions.nsf/ODD/4C2A0C91E22930528525822600504993/$FILE/oc-contreras-ramos, f.pdf

Spouse Abuse/Child Endangerment: https://afcca.law.af.mil/afcca_opinions/cp/clifford_-_39299.u.pdf

22 y/o Premed. Murder of 66 y/o woman over bad oral sex: https://afcca.law.af.mil/afcca_opinions/cp/easterly_-_39310.u.pdf

Moved from OT.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Sometimes I'll peruse the Army/AirForce Court of Criminal Appeals and read the opinions. I often wonder if I'm going to see a case against someone I knew. It is unbelievable how many court martial proceedings there are regarding sex offenses (rape, sexual assault, grooming, pornography, etc.), especially with minors. It's sickening really. So, I have to wonder, wtf is going on? Soldiers/Sailors/Airmen/Marines aren't robbing people or knocking of liquor stores, instead they are raping people and trying to seduce children.

Up-Skirt Photo case: https://www.jagcnet.army.mil/Apps/ACCAOpinions/ACCAOpinions.nsf/ODD/6DF16794785BD90785258247004C7DCD/$FILE/oc-smith, gh.pdf

Recording/Distributing Sexual content: https://afcca.law.af.mil/afcca_opinions/cp/bessmertnyy_-_39322.u_.pdf

Possession of Child Pornography: https://www.jagcnet.army.mil/Apps/ACCAOpinions/ACCAOpinions.nsf/ODD/4C2A0C91E22930528525822600504993/$FILE/oc-contreras-ramos, f.pdf

Spouse Abuse/Child Endangerment: https://afcca.law.af.mil/afcca_opinions/cp/clifford_-_39299.u.pdf

22 y/o Premed. Murder of 66 y/o woman over bad oral sex: https://afcca.law.af.mil/afcca_opinions/cp/easterly_-_39310.u.pdf

More people are speaking out, so more people are getting caught. I don't doubt that the rate of incidences are probably the same (or lower) than historical numbers. I just know what I saw in the AF and working with the Army regarding a lot more 'speak up' bulletins going out.

 

[GobBluth]

More people are speaking out, so more people are getting caught. I don't doubt that the rate of incidences are probably the same (or lower) than historical numbers. I just know what I saw in the AF and working with the Army regarding a lot more 'speak up' bulletins going out.

That's a damn good point.

 

[deadlyapp]

I went to look at the child pornography one, expecting to see the all too common of a 17 year old girl sending a risky photo to an older boyfriend but instead found much much worse.

Using preexisting photos, he also created about one hundred images depicting his daughters, ages eight and thirteen, engaging in various types of sexually explicit conduct.

 

[ctbaars]

This nothing compared to war crimes. Well documented during the Civil War as "allowed". You pansies think embarrassing Iraqi detainees in Iraq was a crime?

 

[Cyco]

Expecting a segment of the general public to be different than other segments of the general public is a bit naive.

 

[darkswordsman17]

This nothing compared to war crimes. Well documented during the Civil War as "allowed". You pansies think embarrassing Iraqi detainees in Iraq was a crime?

That's a new one. "Guys, rape and trying to fuck children is nothing! Let's go back to when some of the country literally fought to own black people!"

 

[darkswordsman17]

Expecting a segment of the general public to be different than other segments of the general public is a bit naive.

To be fair, we've spent decades preaching that our military should be worshipped.

 

[darkswordsman17]

More people are speaking out, so more people are getting caught. I don't doubt that the rate of incidences are probably the same (or lower) than historical numbers. I just know what I saw in the AF and working with the Army regarding a lot more 'speak up' bulletins going out.

That is true, and the military is probably specifically looking to try and make it seem like its doing something about issues related to that, due to what has been a well known (but kept under wraps until it became part of overall societal movement to deal with similar) issue for the military (how common sexual assault against other soldiers happens).

Some more recent laws also likely come into play. Like revenge porn laws and stuff of that nature.

 

[ctbaars]

That's a new one. "Guys, rape and trying to fuck children is nothing! Let's go back to when some of the country literally fought to own black people!"

I didn't say that. I didn't mean that. Almost everywhere you post, you are being mean to someone. Why is that?

 

[BoomerD]

More people are speaking out, so more people are getting caught. I don't doubt that the rate of incidences are probably the same (or lower) than historical numbers. I just know what I saw in the AF and working with the Army regarding a lot more 'speak up' bulletins going out.

Yeah, I'd suspect that if anything, the actual numbers have gone down since the end of the draft. It's just that more people are speaking up about shit.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I didn't say that. I didn't mean that. Almost everywhere you post, you are being mean to someone. Why is that?

Yeah I love it when he writes up 4 long-ass lengthy paragraphs in P&N in reply to my post - Were talking probably 1,500+ words of just nothing but dedicated to trying to insult me...

None of it relating to the actual argument or debate lol. Some people have severe mental issues and need to stop forgetting to take their meds.

 

[TheVrolok]

Expecting a segment of the general public to be different than other segments of the general public is a bit naive.

That's a totally illogical statement. Entirely depends on sampling.

 

[Moonbeam]

I didn't say that. I didn't mean that. Almost everywhere you post, you are being mean to someone. Why is that?

So others also notice this.

When I look at the world I see enormous evil and an immense amount of suffering caused by it. This fills me with intense rage and deep grief. But if you look at the evil that exists honestly and deeply, what I think you will find is deep pain and the desire for revenge for having suffered it. Evil is returned for evil. And this is, in my opinion, what the Wheel of Karma is all about, the desire to return pain for pain until innocent person is affected with it. I think this is why a human being who understood these things went up on a Cross to die so that by being forgiven we also might forgive. It's a lot to ask of a person to become a sponge that takes in pain and allows it to die within. The one small hope I see is that if you suffer you will not suffer as promised.

 

[Moonbeam]

That's a totally illogical statement. Entirely depends on sampling.

I often hear that Trump is not what America is all about, but id so, how do you explain the fact he's President. He certainly seems to me to represent something about America, that we have a kind of cancer that grows more visible day by day. Personally, as an American, I can't imagine that something of and in our culture has also made me sick to some degree.

 

[TheVrolok]

I often hear that Trump is not what America is all about, but id so, how do you explain the fact he's President. He certainly seems to me to represent something about America, that we have a kind of cancer that grows more visible day by day. Personally, as an American, I can't imagine that something of and in our culture has also made me sick to some degree.

Unfortunately, our system is such that control by a minority is entirely possible.

That said, I do think there is a lot about Trump that is representative of the US.

 

[Moonbeam]

Unfortunately, our system is such that control by a minority is entirely possible.

That said, I do think there is a lot about Trump that is representative of the US.

I think if the majority wasn't asleep in their beers Trump's reign of terror would end.

 

[TheVrolok]

I think if the majority wasn't asleep in their beers Trump's reign of terror would end.

Agreed.

 

[Indus]

NYT: 5 years ago, a transgendered woman was killed by a Marine in the Phillipines.

just another patriot.. really!

Original gratuitous NSFW link removed and replaced.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[darkswordsman17]

I didn't say that. I didn't mean that. Almost everywhere you post, you are being mean to someone. Why is that?

WTF? You literally did say that. Your exact words were "This is nothing compared to war crimes." And then said they were openly allowed during the Civil War (which sorry I'm guessing you're a "Southern Pride" person trying to make Sherman seems like the most evil man ever?). Then you literally fucking dismissed the awful shit American soldiers did to war captives and said "you think that's a crime?"

Because you went out of your way to marginalize exactly that (hell you basically outright dimissed it entirely to make a comparison to the shitass soldiers that pulled the crap you were comparing to the Civil War) so you could just go "war is hell." So either you didn't actually bother to learn what the OP was citing, or you are making random pointless comparisons. This stuff happened here in America. This was not in active war zones, or in prisoner camps in foreign countries. And is some of the most fucked up behavior humans ever commit. Yes war is hell. Which is why we should limit war as much as possible. But we should also actively be trying to do something about this other fucked up shit at all times.

Being mean to you? I was just pointing out the weirdness of your comparison. Frankly, I should have been more mean to you because your post is incredibly fucked up. Hell, I practically whitewashed it because what you said was more damning of yourself than any supposed mean ness that I exhibited by pointing it out. All of the behavior is horrible and it makes no sense for you to marginalize any of it. Comparing modern situation to that of one over 150 years ago, when society deliberately worked to improve because of the incredibly fucked up situation from 150 years ago, is absurd. Comparing war zones to normal everyday life in a modern society is absurd. We make a fuss about making it clear this type of behavior is not acceptable in war zones, so why you are arguing that its nothing when it happens not in war zones, well sorry I absolutely am going to call that out.

I have no fucking clue where you even pulled your comparison from. There was literally no tangent there for you to make it. Sorry to be mean by saying how weird that is.

Oh, but I was so fucking mean to the person calling everyone pansies for going WTF about rape and photoshopping their own kids into sexually explicit images and other very fucked up behavior. What, the, fuck.

 

[Greenman]

(Link redacted.)

just another patriot.. really!

Original post no longer applies. Move along, nothing to see here.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Transgendered Woman Killed by US Marine in the Philippines

just another patriot.. really!

Please think twice before posting a shit link like that again.

btw, that was 5 years ago.

An actual news article if anyone is interested:

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/02/...ling-of-transgender-woman-in-philippines.html

and a follow up re his appeal:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...e-in-transgender-womans-killing-idUSKBN17C0FT

Replaced the unnecessary link with the approved one.

Iron Woode
Super Moderator

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Yeah some tags since that links to Best Gore would be nice.

 

[Viper1j]

Sometimes I'll peruse the Army/AirForce Court of Criminal Appeals and read the opinions. I often wonder if I'm going to see a case against someone I knew. It is unbelievable how many court martial proceedings there are regarding sex offenses (rape, sexual assault, grooming, pornography, etc.), especially with minors. It's sickening really. So, I have to wonder, wtf is going on? Soldiers/Sailors/Airmen/Marines aren't robbing people or knocking of liquor stores, instead they are raping people and trying to seduce children.

Up-Skirt Photo case: https://www.jagcnet.army.mil/Apps/ACCAOpinions/ACCAOpinions.nsf/ODD/6DF16794785BD90785258247004C7DCD/$FILE/oc-smith, gh.pdf

Recording/Distributing Sexual content: https://afcca.law.af.mil/afcca_opinions/cp/bessmertnyy_-_39322.u_.pdf

Possession of Child Pornography: https://www.jagcnet.army.mil/Apps/ACCAOpinions/ACCAOpinions.nsf/ODD/4C2A0C91E22930528525822600504993/$FILE/oc-contreras-ramos, f.pdf

Spouse Abuse/Child Endangerment: https://afcca.law.af.mil/afcca_opinions/cp/clifford_-_39299.u.pdf

22 y/o Premed. Murder of 66 y/o woman over bad oral sex: https://afcca.law.af.mil/afcca_opinions/cp/easterly_-_39310.u.pdf

Moved from OT.

Perknose
Forum Director

Pretty sure doing someone's nails or hair (grooming) isn't in the UCMJ.

 

[Indus]

Guys I am sorry.. I just picked the first link from google about the story.

This is the first chance I've had to review that and that link is gone.

Deepest Heartfelt apologies.