What is fair pay for a teacher?

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: mugsywwiii

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: AlienCraft
I think teachers should be paid at least $1500/$2000 / week all year round. $100K-200K per year depending on experience and peer / student review.
This would encourage more people to take up teaching, and encourage more extended training by those who are in the field and have been away from THEIR education for awhile. This would facilitate keeping the older, more experienced teachers up to date with new technologies and concepts.

Personally, I think athletes are grossly over paid and the situations between teachers and athletes should be reversed.

Who the fvck is going to pay for this, Einstein?

Our school funding in Ohio has been declared unconstitutional due to its dependence on property taxes. 80% of the money already goes toward salaries.

Wow, for an elite member that sure was a retarded post. The reason it was declared unconstitutional is because its dependence on property taxes resulted in UNEQUAL educational opportunities for people of different economic classes. It has nothing to do with what AlienCraft was suggesting - which is absurd in and of itself, $100-200k per year is ridiculously high for a teacher. Saying that 80% of the money goes toward salaries is meaningless as well - you can say the same about a lot of companies. It doesn't change the fact that the teaching profession isn't exactly attracting capable people in droves, nor do those people remain motivated after their first few years of teaching.

It means there isn't a large enough cushion to give even marginal increases, let alone triple their salaries!

 

[Grminalac]

When i went to PSU most of the people drinking the bong water were education majors..... If I have children they are going to a private school.

 

[TourGuide]

She had to put up with kids that DIDNT want to learn. She had to put up with the parents that got mad because little Johnny got a F because he didn?t give a crap about his future. Witch they blame on the teacher even though the teacher did everything they could to get Johnny to learn.

If you talk to most teachers today, this is right up near the top of the list of things that bother them. (and it should) There is a GREAT deal of apathy today at home regarding achievement in school for many students. Even though parents and families are the ones who are SUPPOSED to be the driving force behind this there are many cases where they are not. These same families then turn around and blame schools for not MAKING their children achieve and what they fail to understand is that it is a two way street.

I think probably higher up on the list than this though is a growing frustration with our policy makers (politicians) who are making laws regarding educational policy yet they have no educational background. These folks come up with grand sounding initiatives like "No Child Left Behind" and other such tripe. The problem with these kinds of things is that (to use a medical analogy here) we have problems that require MAJOR SURGERY, and what we are getting is a band-aid from the government, or worse, they are throwing salt in the wound (aka NCLB). The confusing thing about our policy makers is how little understanding they seem to exhibit about the problems and issues teachers face in the classroom. I guess they're just too busy to dig deep and worry much about it.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: MrYogi
they are underpaid.

 

[Viper0329]

If any teachers are underpaid, it's here in Louisiana. Average teacher pay is below $30K. Many just clear $23K

 

[Grminalac]

First off all I disagree with any industry/service that is union only. To become a teacher in my area is to join a union. I am not against union I am simply against anyone made to join a union in order to get a job.
Secondly a teachers salary is not based at all on merit. If their salary was; some of the slack jawed idiots in my school district would be making minimum wage, or better yet fired. Again some of the teachers taught me well and deserve better. I fondly recall a chemistry teach and english teach that were brilliant. Seriously does the elementary school gym teacher getting children to skip rope deserve to make as much as the advanced calculus instructor? I don't hardly think so.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: Grminalac
When i went to PSU most of the people drinking the bong water were education majors..... If I have children they are going to a private school.

exactly.

my high school had pretty good teachers but i wonder what'd happen when they retire... :/

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: mugsywwiii

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: AlienCraft
I think teachers should be paid at least $1500/$2000 / week all year round. $100K-200K per year depending on experience and peer / student review.
This would encourage more people to take up teaching, and encourage more extended training by those who are in the field and have been away from THEIR education for awhile. This would facilitate keeping the older, more experienced teachers up to date with new technologies and concepts.

Personally, I think athletes are grossly over paid and the situations between teachers and athletes should be reversed.

Who the fvck is going to pay for this, Einstein?

Our school funding in Ohio has been declared unconstitutional due to its dependence on property taxes. 80% of the money already goes toward salaries.

Wow, for an elite member that sure was a retarded post. The reason it was declared unconstitutional is because its dependence on property taxes resulted in UNEQUAL educational opportunities for people of different economic classes. It has nothing to do with what AlienCraft was suggesting - which is absurd in and of itself, $100-200k per year is ridiculously high for a teacher. Saying that 80% of the money goes toward salaries is meaningless as well - you can say the same about a lot of companies. It doesn't change the fact that the teaching profession isn't exactly attracting capable people in droves, nor do those people remain motivated after their first few years of teaching.

It means there isn't a large enough cushion to give even marginal increases, let alone triple their salaries!

Yeah, tripling their salaries is absurd and out of the question. But the ruling on inequities in education from county to county has nothing to do where increased funding could come from. To answer your question of who is going to pay for it - in light of the ruling you posted a link to, I'd say the state government is going to have to take charge of redistributing tax revenues. I just read in Newsweek that Howard Dean did just that in Vermont (made him rather unpopular among the wealthy). It is still irrelevant that 80% already goes to salaries, because obviously an increase in salaries would have to be accompanied by an increase in overall funding.

 

[Lizardman]

Both my parents are teachers

My dad teaches gym and has been for 30 years he was worked his way up to 65k per year.

My mom teaches special ed for basically preschool. She gets about 40K a year and has been teaching about 9 or 10 years.

They love their jobs and love getting the summers off.

 

[Ornery]

"Yeah, tripling their salaries is absurd and out of the question. But the ruling on inequities in education from county to county has nothing to do where increased funding could come from. To answer your question of who is going to pay for it - in light of the ruling you posted a link to, I'd say the state government is going to have to take charge of redistributing tax revenues. I just read in Newsweek that Howard Dean did just that in Vermont (made him rather unpopular among the wealthy). It is still irrelevant that 80% already goes to salaries, because obviously an increase in salaries would have to be accompanied by an increase in overall funding. "

The point about our funding is that, under the current system, there's no hope of coming up with any significant amount of extra money. 80% of the current funds our strictly for salaries, so there's only 20% of other spending to try and snitch money from. It just ain't there!

The biggest pisser to me, is the fact that I live in a community that generally has 1/2 acre lots with quite a bit of traffic due to the retail and commercial establishments. The density of people and business contribute to our lower property tax, yet plenty of money for local schools. We suffer the disadvantage of noise, traffic and crowding to have better schools and services.

The rural areas have no noise, traffic or crowding, but no tax income for schools. Now they're looking to us to help fund them. EXCUSE ME! These are the same folks bitching about keeping zoning so that businesses can't move in, yet they've got no tax money for schools. DUH! Well, why not have your cake and eat it too? Just get the courts to mandate handouts from the chumps in the big cities and suburbs? We've stalled this BS up till now. I hope these farmers NEVER get there way on this issue! :frown:

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: Viper0329
If any teachers are underpaid, it's here in Louisiana. Average teacher pay is below $30K. Many just clear $23K

Starting salary in Williamson County, TN is $22500, avg is around 30k, and the highest is in the 40s. Then the administration starts at 60k. This, from the 6th wealthiest county in the United States. Tell me how that works.

 

[josphII]

Originally posted by: Medellon
I got in an argument with my manager the other day about the pay a teacher receives. I teach middle school math and bartend at night. He says if anything teachers are overpaid because of all the vacation they get and anyone can do their job. I countered by saying that it takes more than just a college degree(which he doesn't have)to be an effective teacher and we have some brilliant teachers at our school who can't teach to save their lives. I make around 40 grand a year teaching which is okay but wish it were higher. Thoughts?

but the ration of brillant teachers to idiot teachers is like 1:100. furthermore most teacher just plain arent intelligent. all in all id say the pay is about right. of course i wish it were possible to double the salary so we can at least get intelligent people (that may or may not be good at teaching) in our classrooms