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What is fair pay for a teacher?

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Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Joshsquall, I simply stated an opinion, with no reference to anyone except Professional athletes, so, your statement that I started it is incorrect,"Einstein".
As for the rest of the post, This is a statement I can and do agree with. It was the basic premise of my initial statement you so thoroughly disagreed with.

Take your anger and shove it . I'm expressing an opinion here and if you can't see that for what it simply is , I suggest you stick it a little further until it reaches your brain.
There's plenty of money being WASTED in most district paying administrators who sit on their ass and do little if anything to halt the decline in quality of their districts. Furthermore, there is plenty of cash being thrown around to Pork Barrel projects by politicans everywhere, at the expense of the majority of their constituents.
May I suggest you take up the issue with YOUR elected officials and get the f*ck off of my back?

1. That's where you started your anger, it deserved anger right back.
2. I didn't call you Einstein.
3. I agreed with your original post, I'm just trying to make the point that you have to be realistic when dealing with money. Athletes make so much money because we watch them and buy the products they endorse. Teachers don't make that much money because standards are for sh!t right now, so it's not the hardest job in the world if you just cruise along. It can be changed, but not by being irresponsible with money. Cutting a massive amount of funding from other programs just to pay teachers outrageous salaries is not logical.
 
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: AunixM3
Teachers are way too underpaid.
Originally posted by: Medellon
I got in an argument with my manager the other day about the pay a teacher receives. I teach middle school math and bartend at night. He says if anything teachers are overpaid because of all the vacation they get and anyone can do their job. I countered by saying that it takes more than just a college degree(which he doesn't have)to be an effective teacher and we have some brilliant teachers at our school who can't teach to save their lives. I make around 40 grand a year teaching which is okay but wish it were higher. Thoughts?
Okay. So proffesional basketball players have to "work" what, mabe 3 months out of ayear? Sure they have practice, but that's not exactly work. i play bball for a few hours every day. It's fun, not work. And they get paid millions of dollars a year.

meanwhile, people who teach kids to grow up and run the world in the future get paid next to nothing. I think it's quite pathetic how much our society pays for entertainment (sports).

Pfft,

~Aunix

Professional athletes aren't paid with tax money though. They're paid through private salaries and endorsements.. indirectly paid by their fans. So basically, we choose to pay them that much, using our dollars as votes.
The venues they play in are paid (in whole if not a large proportion) by public funds. There are services provided by the cities that are not paid for in the proportion they are used. Utility bills are forgiven , police and Fire protection iis absorbed by the community. The Public PAYS for PRO SPORTS with Tax dollars in more ways than one.
Athletes are actually paid by the millions of dollars that the team owners get from the networks for the rights to show those events on TV , etc. Ticket revenues wouldn't pay the electric bill in some places.
While I don't deny them any of the endorsment money they may earn, and they do earn it by being a notable player, I'm simply of the opinion that paying someone who has a limited education (in general) does not set the proper example if we are concerned with educating the youth of America. Little Leon sitting there may be the hella BBall playa, but if he doesn't have a basis in English, Math and History what is going to happen when he has that career ending injury during try outs?
There are only a VERY small number of students who will have a chance at playing PRO Sports, yet they all must go out and contribute to society. If they are not able to function in society due to an inadequate education, they will end up on the public dole, and who pays for that??? We all do!

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My dream is to be a tenureed professor, but consider how much you have to spend on your education versus the salary you'll receive???

It's a load of crap that teachers don't make more, ESPECIALLY primary and secondary school teachers. They're the ones who REALLY make a difference in a person's life.

 
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Joshsquall, I simply stated an opinion, with no reference to anyone except Professional athletes, so, your statement that I started it is incorrect,"Einstein".
As for the rest of the post, This is a statement I can and do agree with. It was the basic premise of my initial statement you so thoroughly disagreed with.

Take your anger and shove it . I'm expressing an opinion here and if you can't see that for what it simply is , I suggest you stick it a little further until it reaches your brain.
There's plenty of money being WASTED in most district paying administrators who sit on their ass and do little if anything to halt the decline in quality of their districts. Furthermore, there is plenty of cash being thrown around to Pork Barrel projects by politicans everywhere, at the expense of the majority of their constituents.
May I suggest you take up the issue with YOUR elected officials and get the f*ck off of my back?

1. That's where you started your anger, it deserved anger right back.
2. I didn't call you Einstein.
3. I agreed with your original post, I'm just trying to make the point that you have to be realistic when dealing with money. Athletes make so much money because we watch them and buy the products they endorse. Teachers don't make that much money because standards are for sh!t right now, so it's not the hardest job in the world if you just cruise along. It can be changed, but not by being irresponsible with money. Cutting a massive amount of funding from other programs just to pay teachers outrageous salaries is not logical.
Ahh you're right, you didn't call me Einstein. Sorry about that. You did , however say "You're as stupid as you look". Is that a personal comment or not?


 
I'd say 40 grand a year ain't bad at all for a teacher.

I think some school teachers around here in Canada make $20,000 CND or less.
 
Teachers in the school district that I live in start out in the low $20K's (rural IL). It definitely depends on the district, because our taxes for the school are already sky high. I think if teacher's salaries were higher, though, you'd get some better teachers in there. I know some real dumbasses who are/will become teachers. I'd be a teacher, but I'm not altruistic enough. Let someone else teach those little bastards for $23,000 a year.
 
Originally posted by: stormbv
Teachers in the school district that I live in start out in the low $20K's (rural IL). It definitely depends on the district, because our taxes for the school are already sky high. I think if teacher's salaries were higher, though, you'd get some better teachers in there. I know some real dumbasses who are/will become teachers. I'd be a teacher, but I'm not altruistic enough. Let someone else teach those little bastards for $23,000 a year.

LOL!

Yup, I have people ask me why I want to do this when there are other things I could do.

I mean, kids will sit and FART in class, some to be disruptive and some because they just can't help it. I know one teacher who had quite a gassy class and she had to leave her door open all the time.



 
Originally posted by: fatbaby
Originally posted by: Medellon
Originally posted by: KraziKid
Originally posted by: pyonir All depends on the district/state/city/education/etc. I would say for the most part, they are underpaid.
I agree for the most part. Some teachers in my High School who have been there 15+ years are making $100,000+. This is not underpaid in my opinion for a High School teacher. I personally wouldn't mind becoming one because of all the vacations and the opportunity to mold young minds to be what I want bwahaha 😛.
$100,000! Where is this?!
WTF! $100,000 maybe in some rich highschool. A teacher that has been teaching for 20+ years makes a little over $60k in Socal (LA county unified)

I live in Oceanside NY, and go to Oceanside High School (public school).
 
Originally posted by: Isla
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: Isla
BTW, starting pay where I live is a whopping 30K. 😛

We lose teachers in my area because our starting pay is $35k as opposed to $40k in a county about 40 miles away. I don't understand why you would commute an extra 80 miles each day for $5k.

Well, the only reason why I can afford to teach is because I am not the main breadwinner in the family. If was the sole financial support of my family, I would have to consider another profession. I suspect that the teachers who go to the county 40 miles away end up moving to be closer to work!

My mother was a wonderful teacher who had to drive a 70 mile round trip for the last 7 years or so of her career because financial and personal circumstances forced her to move to another county. Back then, you could not take your years of service from county to county, so if she took a job closer to home, it would have been like starting over! Fortunately, now you can teach anywhere in my state and keep your years of service.

Maternity leave used to suck big time, too. My poor mom got screwed each time she had one of us. Now, you can take up to 18 months leave (not paid, of course!) and still have your job security.

I'm not doing this for the money. I'm doing it because if I can be half as good of a teacher as my mother was, I'll be leaving behind a lot of hope for the future.

30K for what is essentaily a 3/4 time job at best is pretty good depending on the area Then with tenure and benefits it even better.. My moms a university Full-Professor and makes around 110K no way in the the private sector with a PhD in comparitive literature could she make this. Then there is the lifestyle. She was home all Summer, 6 weeks in the fall and everyday during the school year after 2 pm growing up. Seemed to be a very low stress job which she's commented before she would do for free if they stopped paying her. (she might have to with Californias budget crisis🙂) Then the whole collegial enviroment with conferences, research and working with other smart people also is nice. I don't know I've thought about going back for four more years so I can teach and I would take a 35K pay cut.

Thanks for being a teacher..I'm sure you are wonderful from reading your posts..🙂
 
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
Originally posted by: Ornery
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
I think teachers should be paid at least $1500/$2000 / week all year round. $100K-200K per year depending on experience and peer / student review.
This would encourage more people to take up teaching, and encourage more extended training by those who are in the field and have been away from THEIR education for awhile. This would facilitate keeping the older, more experienced teachers up to date with new technologies and concepts.

Personally, I think athletes are grossly over paid and the situations between teachers and athletes should be reversed.
Who the fvck is going to pay for this, Einstein?

Our school funding in Ohio has been declared unconstitutional due to its dependence on property taxes. 80% of the money already goes toward salaries.
Take your anger and shove it . I'm expressing an opinion here and if you can't see that for what it simply is , I suggest you stick it a little further until it reaches your brain.
There's plenty of money being WASTED in most district paying administrators who sit on their ass and do little if anything to halt the decline in quality of their districts. Furthermore, there is plenty of cash being thrown around to Pork Barrel projects by politicans everywhere, at the expense of the majority of their constituents.
May I suggest you take up the issue with YOUR elected officials and get the f*ck off of my back?
You've had long enough to explain where all this money is going to come from for these hundreds of thousands of teachers across the country, and the best you can come up with is trimming waste? Genius, pure genius!
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I'm resurrecting this thread... for no good reason, I guess. Just wanted to put my $0.02 in.

My mom is a teacher at our local high school. I graduated from said high school just this previous May. I also worked for the district during my senior year. Now - this high school is not nearly as poor as most of the ones around here. I live in Columbus, Ohio, and this high school is a "Career Center" - a consortium of 16 school districts. We thus get funding from all over the place. Even though we do, the school does not have a lot of excess money to spend. We keep the facilities nice and pay our teachers slightly more than what the average is for our area.

As for Social Security - when I joined the district as an employee, I spoke with the treasurer's office, and they informed me that I would not be paying into Social Security - I would instead be paying into the Public Employee's Retirement System. All of the school employees from my area (Fairfield & Franklin counties, Ohio) pay into PER instead of SS (at least that's what I have been told by the local treasurers).

High schools around mine have not been as fortunate with funding as mine has been. A high school that I transferred out of this past year lost a lot of funding, when the State of Ohio pulled a lot of promised funds. Teacher pay was cut for many teachers, and some positions had to be eliminated. Thus, many teachers are remaining in a school district, now with more students per class (i.e. more problems), more classes, and less pay.

I don't know about anywhere else in the nation, but most of the teachers around here are very much underpaid. There are some school districts here that have more money than they need, and their teachers are paid accordingly... but the great majority of them are not in that situation. Even my high school, which has more funding than most, is not able to pay our teachers a wage that most would believe is fair for their duties.

My mom? Let's see. She works all of the normal 'school days' - a few over 180. Christmas break... this year, she took off about 5 days, instead of the allotted 10. She went in to work, graded papers, tutored students, etc. Summer 'vacation'... in addition to tending to her 2 elderly and disabled parents, mom is also taking college classes online, because they are required to renew her teaching certification. Spring break was spent studying for other certifications. Thanksgiving break she did take - simply because she was exhausted, and tired of continual work.

The hours? Official hours of business at the school are 7:30 AM - 3:00 PM. This past year, mom and I typically arrived at the school approximately 7:15 AM. It was not uncommon for us to leave at 5:00 PM - sometimes as late as 7:00 PM. There is a LOT more work that teachers could be doing to help their students... my mom tries her hardest to help every student to the best of her ability.

Although not directly teachers, some other district employees are also underpaid. The computer and network administration team, for example. That's the team I was on this past year - the average salary among us was $24,000 for full-time work. We had a team of 3 full time members, and I was the only part time member. In addition to just the computer networks, though, we were called upon for many other responsibilities. In the past year alone, we went from out-sourcing the management of our coax system, telephone system, and paging system to in house work by the same computer admin team. When I left the district, at the time of my graduation, they did hire another full time employee, thankfully. We were swamped, though, still! It was not uncommon for me to work 7:30 AM - 10:00 PM some days. A lot of my work was volunteer, simply because I couldn't get things done 'on the clock', even though they *needed* to be done immediately. Little things, like re-programming the phone system, after it suffered from a fatal crash. Getting the servers back online, after a corruption error, or other things that most people don't see as being immediately necessary, even though they are. I guarantee, had I gone home just one night, instead of stayed at work and completed whatever the job of the day was, then I would have been begged to come in early and take care of it. (No, Brad, I didn't know that the FCC building servers were down... What's that? The Norstar system is down? It can wait. How often do they need the phones, anyway?)

Enough of my rambling.
 
Mahogany row admin.is wayyyy over paid resulting in teachers being underpaid. Being a teacher should be the most prestigious and well paid job in education..not a bunch of Kelly person admin's...
 
I think teachers should make between $35k-$60k depending on what they teach, how long they've been teaching, etc.

People say it requires a lot of hard work, underpaid, etc, etc, but people say that about every form of employment that generally makes under $75k-$100k.
 
This teacher in my school gets paid like 90K just to show students video tapes of the U.S. history and test them on it. What a great job he has just to do that. Well, he has his degrees too and the students called him Dr. Not Mr. But he's not a Dr. in the medical fields. How great eh?
 
Originally posted by: KhoiFather
This teacher in my school gets paid like 90K just to show students video tapes of the U.S. history and test them on it. What a great job he has just to do that. Well, he has his degrees too and the students called him Dr. Not Mr. But he's not a Dr. in the medical fields. How great eh?

If he has a Ph.D then he deserves being called Doctor. It has nothing to do with being in the medical field either. It's a distinguished degree that few people will ever achieve, certainly a very qualified staff member to your school.
 
Originally posted by: Ornery
Originally posted by: AlienCraft
I think teachers should be paid at least $1500/$2000 / week all year round. $100K-200K per year depending on experience and peer / student review.
This would encourage more people to take up teaching, and encourage more extended training by those who are in the field and have been away from THEIR education for awhile. This would facilitate keeping the older, more experienced teachers up to date with new technologies and concepts.

Personally, I think athletes are grossly over paid and the situations between teachers and athletes should be reversed.
Who the fvck is going to pay for this, Einstein?

Our school funding in Ohio has been declared unconstitutional due to its dependence on property taxes. 80% of the money already goes toward salaries.

Wow, for an elite member that sure was a retarded post. The reason it was declared unconstitutional is because its dependence on property taxes resulted in UNEQUAL educational opportunities for people of different economic classes. It has nothing to do with what AlienCraft was suggesting - which is absurd in and of itself, $100-200k per year is ridiculously high for a teacher. Saying that 80% of the money goes toward salaries is meaningless as well - you can say the same about a lot of companies. It doesn't change the fact that the teaching profession isn't exactly attracting capable people in droves, nor do those people remain motivated after their first few years of teaching.
 
I'm seriously trying to think here about the teachers that made a difference in my life, there's a few but all in all not that many. My 2nd grade teacher helped me learn to speak english properly. Thats the main one I can think of.

Myh college profs had more influence over me than teachers in primary or secondary I'd say. So I guess I question to an extent the whole make a "difference" argument. I think put me into any good school and I'd have ended up OK.

 
Teachers need to be paid more, held to higher standards, and be protected from stupid lawsuits. The whole education system needs to be redone.
 
But there are those teachers who do not know how to teach and gets paid like crazy even though most of their students fails and do horribly because the teacher will not help or adapt to their learning style.
 
Originally posted by: KraziKid
Originally posted by: pyonir
All depends on the district/state/city/education/etc. I would say for the most part, they are underpaid.

I agree for the most part. Some teachers in my High School who have been there 15+ years are making $100,000+. This is not underpaid in my opinion for a High School teacher. I personally wouldn't mind becoming one because of all the vacations and the opportunity to mold young minds to be what I want bwahaha 😛.

at first i was going ot call BS on this.

But you are right. Some (very few) make that much. in the inner city of Chicago they make that much. Why? Because NOBODY wants to teach there.

My wife was a teacher in IL. she would work from 6am till 6pm at night 5 days a week. after school she would tutor kids that were failing. then she had to do up her lesson plan and grade homework.

During the summer she had to go to classes (teachers here need to have some classes every year). so she couldn?t work as much as she wanted during the summer!

She had to put up with kids that DIDNT want to learn. She had to put up with the parents that got mad because little Johnny got a F because he didn?t give a crap about his future. Witch they blame on the teacher even though the teacher did everything they could to get Johnny to learn.

She has to give crappy standardized test that eat up the time to really learn. she has to mess with the BS that the lazy overpaid higher ups in the education system do.

She did it all for $24k a year. She finally got tired of the BS and got a factory job making $36k a year with better benefits.

Are teachers underpaid? Heck yeah! But there are a lot of other things that need to be changed to go along with that. Like firing crappy teachers, when I was in high school we had one teacher that would come in drunk all the time. They couldn?t fire her.


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I don't know about teachers out in the suburbs, but I really feel sorry for the ones in the inner cities.
These teachers get paid next to nothing to deal with things like students who might put a bullet in the teacher because the teacher gave them an F. 🙁
 
We pay are hookers more than we pay our teachers. We should pay our hookers the same as our teachers, what kind of world do we live in!
 
Originally posted by: waggy
But there are a lot of other things that need to be changed to go along with that. Like firing crappy teachers, when I was in high school we had one teacher that would come in drunk all the time. They couldn?t fire her.

If she was indeed drunk all the time... then there was some other reason that they could not fire her. That would be grounds for immediate dismissal from any school (at least around here).
 
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