What is cpu lapping?
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it is generally not worth your time or effort, and it is not at all unlikely that a first timer will destroy his/her CPU.
it is not *entirely* pointless as it *can* produce a measurable difference in CPU temperature, typically 1-2 degrees C. however, it is ALMOST entirely pointless for about 99.99% of users
it is not *entirely* pointless as it *can* produce a measurable difference in CPU temperature, typically 1-2 degrees C. however, it is ALMOST entirely pointless for about 99.99% of users
Not true. I got a 15°C drop in load temperatures after lapping. It even helped me get a better OC.
The thing about lapping is that if you do it slowly and correctly, there's not much risk involved. If you get impatient and start doing stupid things then that's your own fault.
And yeah, as others have pointed out, the main purpose of lapping is to make the IHS and the heatsink base as perfectly flat as possible. The mirror shine isn't necessary (but it does look cool) - the most important thing is making sure that the two contact surfaces are flat.
Sounds like your cooling solution before lapping may have been somehow gimped. Too much thermal compound, micro air pockets....
Of course it can help achieve a higher OC.
By looking around at AT forums or other OCing forums you might be inclined to think "who DOESN'T OC?" but it's really the vast minority.
I knew my comment would open a big can of worms.
And I apologize, I meant to say "the difference between a good thermal contact and a mirror finish is about 1-2 degrees C typically" not the difference between stock and totally lapped
As a first time, make sure the system actually works first before you start lapping
Then, go at the HSF in earnest, I mean really go at it, if you mess that up is a minor replacement cost. When done reinstall and measure the difference
Then, go at the HSF in earnest, I mean really go at it, if you mess that up is a minor replacement cost. When done reinstall and measure the difference
PCTC2
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I would have to disagree as well. My IHS is curved to hell (concavely) and I've had problems with all HSFs having good contact. I would probably gain a lot from lapping but I cheated and bowed my waterblock. A lot of people get a lot better contact from lapping when starting with a concave IHS and a semi-flat HSF to both lapped. It makes a difference.
case in point... people who have spent the time and effort lapping and overclocking recently will claim it is worth the effort, because if they do not claim it so, then they feel they have wasted their time.
If you are not pushing the limits of what's OCable and you are using a decent thermal compound, there is absolutely no need for the vast majority of users to take any abrasives to their components.
As someone who has lapped and OC'ed in the past, I'll have to say again that it's really not all that magical.
If you are not pushing the limits of what's OCable and you are using a decent thermal compound, there is absolutely no need for the vast majority of users to take any abrasives to their components.
As someone who has lapped and OC'ed in the past, I'll have to say again that it's really not all that magical.
2 days ago a guy here had 23c drop under load after lapping. of course his first hsf seating was pretty 'tarded
If your CPU IHS came shaped like a canoe (as was mine) you would not be saying this.
Lapping has its place; only you can decide if the benefits outweigh the risk.
BonzaiDuck
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The thickness of the IHS or processor cap was always a concern of mine. The structural integrity of the IHS was also a concern.
But recently I lapped the IHS of an E6600, just to get it flat.
The IHS apparently has a copper layer covered with nickel plating. This isn't different than ThermalRight's heatsink bases.
Copper his higher thermal conductivity and lower thermal resistance than nickel. I only suspect that you get a great improvement in temperatures just by flattening the nickel layer, but you get another increment of improvement by lapping to bare copper.
I use latex surgical gloves when lapping the processor, and everyone says to make sure you don't get the contacts on the opposite side from the heatspreader wet. It doesn't take very long. I ground it down with 400 wetordry, and then put it on some 600-grit for a little while.
But recently I lapped the IHS of an E6600, just to get it flat.
The IHS apparently has a copper layer covered with nickel plating. This isn't different than ThermalRight's heatsink bases.
Copper his higher thermal conductivity and lower thermal resistance than nickel. I only suspect that you get a great improvement in temperatures just by flattening the nickel layer, but you get another increment of improvement by lapping to bare copper.
I use latex surgical gloves when lapping the processor, and everyone says to make sure you don't get the contacts on the opposite side from the heatspreader wet. It doesn't take very long. I ground it down with 400 wetordry, and then put it on some 600-grit for a little while.
Surgical gloves are entirely uncessary but the peace of mind can be priceless.
I use bare hands. Surgical gloves protect YOU from whatever you are touching, it doesn't protect whatever you are touching. You'll still deliver just as much static shock with or without those gloves, and whatever you do touch while wearing those gloves will still eventually end up getting onto the CPU as you handle it.
Water on the contacts is bad? You'd think so but it really does not matter. I've had my chips so wet they were literally dripping. Water does nothing to gold, nickle and barely ever so slowly will tarnish copper. The problem with water on electronics only comes when there is a voltage applied. So make sure the suker is dried out before plugging it in. (rinse it in isopropyl and dry).
I use to be really paranoid about killing my chips, then I got into vaporphase cooling and learned over the course of year that motherboards, sockets, and chips can actually handle an exceptional amount of water exposure and just keep on ticking.
The concern to have with water when you lap your IHS is that the water (or any liquid you might be using) can carry metal filing fragments into that little hole on the side of the IHS and from there those metal filings can become lodged under the IHS but short-circuiting something important. I have not heard of a single person ever actually killing their chip from lapping in this manner, but the paranoia exists nonetheless.
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=82 - has a nice article on how to lap a CPU.
BonzaiDuck - when you use latex gloves, were they the type that leaves a residue behind?
BonzaiDuck - when you use latex gloves, were they the type that leaves a residue behind?
Markfw
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I also know for a fact is can have a BIG difference (10c at least)
I think there is enough evidence that lapping can make a big difference that you need to give in to the majority that disagree with you. And the experience level of the people who say it makes a difference also makes your claims loose credibility.
my E6750 went from 46C to 37C stressed in ORTHOS after I lapped both my IHS and Heatsink
Lapped E6750 & TR U-120-E
Lapped E6750 & TR U-120-E
BonzaiDuck
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Well, so much for my folklore confusion over the gloves and water. I never noticed a hole in the cap -- as with the socket-478 processors -- though.
What's been the temperature-reduction experience here if you don't lap off all the nickel-plating? I only lapped my IHS so it was flat, and no copper exposed. Graysky had a post on another forum with pictures regarding his C2D or C2Q lapping experience, and he'd lapped off all the nickel down to bare copper. No folklore -- that the copper has better thermal conductivity . . . .
What's been the temperature-reduction experience here if you don't lap off all the nickel-plating? I only lapped my IHS so it was flat, and no copper exposed. Graysky had a post on another forum with pictures regarding his C2D or C2Q lapping experience, and he'd lapped off all the nickel down to bare copper. No folklore -- that the copper has better thermal conductivity . . . .
hell yeah, thats a sweet setup, I'm hoping for a shine like that on my IHS and Heatsink on the e8400 + TRU 120 combination.
BonzaiDuck
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Soo . . . . I see the copper on PhunkOne's masterpiece . . . .
What's the experience with lapping that leaves the nickel-plating intact?
What's the experience with lapping that leaves the nickel-plating intact?
covert24
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probably little to no difference. i would think that when you lap it, it gets the heatsink closer to the actual cpu itself (even if its only by a couple mm/nm) so as to give a more direct contact. i have no idea if that would make that much of a difference but yea. oh and also it wouldn't look as good 
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