Nitemare
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Psorak
Originally posted by: conjur
The U.S. Army had nothing to do with the widespread massacre of Native Americans? The Louisiana Purchase, and its opening of over 800,000 square miles to American pioneers/settlers had nothing to do with angering the Native Americans?
Nice example, I'll try to avoid calling you a moron with that rolling eye icon. Who owned the land in the first place to sell it in your mentioned Louisiana purchase. Please only answer if your knowledge is more extensive than what you saw on "Schoolhouse Rock."
No one really "owned" the land back then. French explorers (among others) had mapped out much of the land and laid claim to it despite the fact that...oh...it was already inhabited!!
The purchase was made in 1803, long before most Americans even thought about venturing west.
All of the slaughters of Native Americans in the west were then done under the control of the U.S. Government.
Although, maybe your grandaddy and his grandaddy were some of the buffoons involved in killing thousands of innocents.
The French sold land that they discovered, not to mention the fact people were already living on it, to America. That's the equivalent of me finding a house in a neighborhood, making my own deed and selling it to Conjur for a lunch at Taco Bell(The equivalent price). All Conjur has to do is beat up the guy when he comes home and drive him away. Who is more wrong, me for selling what was not mine or Conjur for taking it willingly and then taking care of the previous occupant?
What they did was deplorable, but it like most of our evil transgressions are in the past. I choose to dwell in the present and not blame everybody for my shortcomings and insist on a hand out
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Psorak
Originally posted by: conjur
The U.S. Army had nothing to do with the widespread massacre of Native Americans? The Louisiana Purchase, and its opening of over 800,000 square miles to American pioneers/settlers had nothing to do with angering the Native Americans?
Nice example, I'll try to avoid calling you a moron with that rolling eye icon. Who owned the land in the first place to sell it in your mentioned Louisiana purchase. Please only answer if your knowledge is more extensive than what you saw on "Schoolhouse Rock."
No one really "owned" the land back then. French explorers (among others) had mapped out much of the land and laid claim to it despite the fact that...oh...it was already inhabited!!
The purchase was made in 1803, long before most Americans even thought about venturing west.
All of the slaughters of Native Americans in the west were then done under the control of the U.S. Government.
Although, maybe your grandaddy and his grandaddy were some of the buffoons involved in killing thousands of innocents.
The French sold land that they discovered, not to mention the fact people were already living on it, to America. That's the equivalent of me finding a house in a neighborhood, making my own deed and selling it to Conjur for a lunch at Taco Bell(The equivalent price). All Conjur has to do is beat up the guy when he comes home and drive him away. Who is more wrong, me for selling what was not mine or Conjur for taking it willingly and then taking care of the previous occupant?
What they did was deplorable, but it like most of our evil transgressions are in the past. I choose to dwell in the present and not blame everybody for my shortcomings and insist on a hand out
I guess you'll see people like this on forums all the time. Now he comes out and declares that he's about 5% native american. So I say he cuts off his foot, leaves it here and then ships the rest of himself offshore since 95% of his body rejects this occupation and doesn't belong here.
See, you can't even reply to my question about backing up your opinion.
You're a troll...plain and simple.
Nothing new to these forums, though. We've seen them come and go.
I vote for the dumbing down of America as evidenced in this thread.
Although some of you have vast, intimate knowledge of what you speak of, the majority in this thread spout a bunch of rhetoric and one-sided BS that someone forced them to read and then interpreted for them in some High School history class. You can't claim to know everything about a topic by reading ONE piece of work by ONE author because all you get is ONE aspect of it.
Although some of you have vast, intimate knowledge of what you speak of, the majority in this thread spout a bunch of rhetoric and one-sided BS that someone forced them to read and then interpreted for them in some High School history class. You can't claim to know everything about a topic by reading ONE piece of work by ONE author because all you get is ONE aspect of it.
Nitemare
Lifer
- Feb 8, 2001
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Originally posted by: Psorak
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Psorak
Originally posted by: conjur
The U.S. Army had nothing to do with the widespread massacre of Native Americans? The Louisiana Purchase, and its opening of over 800,000 square miles to American pioneers/settlers had nothing to do with angering the Native Americans?
Nice example, I'll try to avoid calling you a moron with that rolling eye icon. Who owned the land in the first place to sell it in your mentioned Louisiana purchase. Please only answer if your knowledge is more extensive than what you saw on "Schoolhouse Rock."
No one really "owned" the land back then. French explorers (among others) had mapped out much of the land and laid claim to it despite the fact that...oh...it was already inhabited!!
The purchase was made in 1803, long before most Americans even thought about venturing west.
All of the slaughters of Native Americans in the west were then done under the control of the U.S. Government.
Although, maybe your grandaddy and his grandaddy were some of the buffoons involved in killing thousands of innocents.
The French sold land that they discovered, not to mention the fact people were already living on it, to America. That's the equivalent of me finding a house in a neighborhood, making my own deed and selling it to Conjur for a lunch at Taco Bell(The equivalent price). All Conjur has to do is beat up the guy when he comes home and drive him away. Who is more wrong, me for selling what was not mine or Conjur for taking it willingly and then taking care of the previous occupant?
What they did was deplorable, but it like most of our evil transgressions are in the past. I choose to dwell in the present and not blame everybody for my shortcomings and insist on a hand out
I guess you'll see people like this on forums all the time. Now he comes out and declares that he's about 5% native american. So I say he cuts off his foot, leaves it here and then ships the rest of himself offshore since 95% of his body rejects this occupation and doesn't belong here.
Actually a quarter Cherokee and you are fullblooded Asshat, your point is?
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Psorak
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Psorak
Originally posted by: conjur
The U.S. Army had nothing to do with the widespread massacre of Native Americans? The Louisiana Purchase, and its opening of over 800,000 square miles to American pioneers/settlers had nothing to do with angering the Native Americans?
Nice example, I'll try to avoid calling you a moron with that rolling eye icon. Who owned the land in the first place to sell it in your mentioned Louisiana purchase. Please only answer if your knowledge is more extensive than what you saw on "Schoolhouse Rock."
No one really "owned" the land back then. French explorers (among others) had mapped out much of the land and laid claim to it despite the fact that...oh...it was already inhabited!!
The purchase was made in 1803, long before most Americans even thought about venturing west.
All of the slaughters of Native Americans in the west were then done under the control of the U.S. Government.
Although, maybe your grandaddy and his grandaddy were some of the buffoons involved in killing thousands of innocents.
The French sold land that they discovered, not to mention the fact people were already living on it, to America. That's the equivalent of me finding a house in a neighborhood, making my own deed and selling it to Conjur for a lunch at Taco Bell(The equivalent price). All Conjur has to do is beat up the guy when he comes home and drive him away. Who is more wrong, me for selling what was not mine or Conjur for taking it willingly and then taking care of the previous occupant?
What they did was deplorable, but it like most of our evil transgressions are in the past. I choose to dwell in the present and not blame everybody for my shortcomings and insist on a hand out
I guess you'll see people like this on forums all the time. Now he comes out and declares that he's about 5% native american. So I say he cuts off his foot, leaves it here and then ships the rest of himself offshore since 95% of his body rejects this occupation and doesn't belong here.
Actually a quarter Cherokee and you are fullblooded Asshat, your point is?
I haven't referred any of my posts in your direction, but you may resort to name calling since you have no other recourse.
Svnla
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- Nov 10, 2003
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Ok, so you and some others say it was not so bad. Then let me ask you if you would let the goverment round you and your family members, friends, and associates and keep yall in a camp for years with the very same condition for the Japanese Americans (they were U.S. CITIZENS btw). Until you say ok, then don't say ***well, it was not so bad**.
BTW, I am not Japanese, but I and others have a problem with our government would treat our VERY OWN citizens just because the enemies have the same background/ethic (just what is going on now with the Muslim Americans).
Since you used Google, do some research about the Japanese American group of soldiers in WWII and see how well they did in combat.
I'm not trying to say this isn't a shameful thing, but compared to the extermination of Native Americans this is really just small potatoes. You should read up on how the Cavalry, as well as our nations leaders, treated the Native Americans.
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Exactly, many are not educated enough to really form an opinion. That's why I asked Cami333 to elaborate on the Hiroshima bomb because he did his thesis on it. Hopefully he'll come back soon.
Lack of education is apparent.
Someone cries and doesn't like what you have to say, you get troll, asshat, maroon thrown in your general direction. Especially called a maroon when that person clearly cannot follow sequential posts to have known I was indeed referring to him, and not the quoted poster.
I take it from where it comes. That person is ignorant and what they think of me is inconsequential. When they grow out of puberty and can create a formative argument without name calling I may give what that person has to say some respect. Doubtful, but there is a slight chance.
Originally posted by: Psorak
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Exactly, many are not educated enough to really form an opinion. That's why I asked Cami333 to elaborate on the Hiroshima bomb because he did his thesis on it. Hopefully he'll come back soon.
Lack of education is apparent.
Someone cries and doesn't like what you have to say, you get troll, asshat, maroon thrown in your general direction. Especially called a maroon when that person clearly cannot follow sequential posts to have known I was indeed referring to him, and not the quoted poster.
I take it from where it comes. That person is ignorant and what they think of me is inconsequential. When they grow out of puberty and can create a formative argument without name calling I may give what that person has to say some respect. Doubtful, but there is a slight chance.
Oh, you're well-deserving of anything thrown at you. It's not our fault your reading and posting skills are inferior.
You have contributed nothing to this thread.
You spout off that the U.S. gov't had nothing to do with the massacring of Native Americans but offer nothing to back up that statement when confronted.
That makes you, at best, a flame-baiter.
I never said what is worst, and that is definately America STEALING half of Mexicos land, then killing off the Native mexicanos in the area, AFTER flloding it with white settlers. That was a virtual ethnic cleansing, done in this very country, its right up there with the slaughtering of America's Native american population or the Halocaust.
Still, even worse than that is that even TODAY mexican-americans are treated as foreighners and scum by alot of people who say we shouldnt be here, as though we are all border hoppers.
People forget that the south west is mexican land originally and that the majority of whites in the southwest are the true descendants of border hoppers.
Still, even worse than that is that even TODAY mexican-americans are treated as foreighners and scum by alot of people who say we shouldnt be here, as though we are all border hoppers.
People forget that the south west is mexican land originally and that the majority of whites in the southwest are the true descendants of border hoppers.
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Psorak
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Exactly, many are not educated enough to really form an opinion. That's why I asked Cami333 to elaborate on the Hiroshima bomb because he did his thesis on it. Hopefully he'll come back soon.
Lack of education is apparent.
Someone cries and doesn't like what you have to say, you get troll, asshat, maroon thrown in your general direction. Especially called a maroon when that person clearly cannot follow sequential posts to have known I was indeed referring to him, and not the quoted poster.
I take it from where it comes. That person is ignorant and what they think of me is inconsequential. When they grow out of puberty and can create a formative argument without name calling I may give what that person has to say some respect. Doubtful, but there is a slight chance.
Oh, you're well-deserving of anything thrown at you. It's not our fault your reading and posting skills are inferior.
You have contributed nothing to this thread.
You spout off that the U.S. gov't had nothing to do with the massacring of Native Americans but offer nothing to back up that statement when confronted.
That makes you, at best, a flame-baiter.
I guess you didn't know you were being ignored. I should have kept with it, but you're just a little over the top with your bigotry. I wouldn't associate with a person of your caliber IRL so I will say my peace and be over with it. This time I will stick with my guns and ignore your provincialism.
You had accused me of having ancestors that were killers? Then you call me a flame-baiter? You honestly need to STFU since you're an absolute hypocrite. My point was made in my first post regarding what you've been trying to drive out of me since then. Posting skills inferior? That hurt, and my reading skill aren't lacking either, so your lame insults really do not matter.
You then announce that you have a great-uncle that knew a guy twice removed that was a native american? Your 5% of blood does not entitle you to the soapbox that you've placed yourself on. You must be in constant conflict with yourself. Then all you can do is call names, announce that it's warranted and tell me to move along? You have absolutely no authority here, you may move along I see you have other forums that you frequent and probably pollute.
While you're actually raising a valid point, your 'I have an intelligent opinion' card was revoked when you made that blatantly racist post earlier.
That wasnt racist, i was just stating some facts. Before the 1950's the US government pretty much saw itself as only representing white people, and not any other people. It segregated blacks from whites, forced native americans onto reservations, forced thousands of mexicans out of the south west many times [like forcing 70000 mexicans out of LA in the 20s iirc], put Japanese americans in internment camps.
Yet the US government never did this stuff to white americans, No the Government did this to the benefit and favor of White Americans. So by saying this thread should be about white america's atrocities instead of just "America's" is correct, since White americans have never been opressed in America, it was always whites doing the opressing against any race of people that they came in contact with, and that includes mexicans, japanese, blacks etc.
Yet the US government never did this stuff to white americans, No the Government did this to the benefit and favor of White Americans. So by saying this thread should be about white america's atrocities instead of just "America's" is correct, since White americans have never been opressed in America, it was always whites doing the opressing against any race of people that they came in contact with, and that includes mexicans, japanese, blacks etc.
weirdichi
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- Sep 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Everybody who said something about slavory needs to realize that the U.S. wasn't the first nation to incorporate the use of entire races as slaves. Nor were we the last. Nor were we the only one to do it on such a large scale. Jeez...
To say, another country had slaves does not resolve the US of the fact it was wrong. The title of this thread is "What is America's most shameful act in its history?"
I agree with you. They did it, why can't we do it? That sort of thinking isn't right. As I said earlier, the reason why it's such a debate is that the American colinists used a "generational" slavery, enslaving the slaves children and the children's children as well.
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