What intel cpu is a Coppermine-T?

[Jennifer66]

The abit site has a bios upgrade for my motherboard.
It says it adds support for Coppermine-T cpus.
What cpus are Coppermine-T?

 

[Swanny]

The Coppermine-T is a version of the PIII based on a .13 micron process that is compatible with existing MBs. It is basically a Tualatin with a few modifications to make it work with current hardware.

 

[Jennifer66]

So there are no Coppermine-T cpu's currently for sale or listed on intels P3 S-Spec list?

 

[Swanny]

I don't think Coppermine-Ts or Tualatins are on sale yet. Coppermine-Ts probably won't be marketed any different than the current Coppermines. But any P3 that is faster than 1Ghz will be a Tualatin or Coppermine-T.

 

[Nagumo]

Its a new PIII with a lower voltage 1.5v and a .13 die.
Also it suppose to sport 512k L2

 

[Jennifer66]

Is this a good deal?
Tualatin

 

[Swanny]

I haven't done very much research into P3 platforms so I don't know if that's a good deal. By Super Mirco isn't the best MB maker so it won't be very high quality. If I were you I'd go the AMD/DDR route.

Thunderbird 1.4Ghz OEM: $173
Epox EP-8K7A: $130
Good HSF: $40
512Mb Crucial DDR PC2100 in 2 256Mb sticks: $100

That adds up to $443. Still almost $100 dollars less for a system that will blow that other one out of the water. And keep in mind that your combo didn't even include memory. Even at the same clock, I suspect the Thunderbird beats a Tualatin. Although I'm not sure on that one. Still, a 1.4Ghz Athlon will definatly beat a 1.13Ghz Tualatin.

 

[TuffGuy]

actually, clock for clock and fsb for fsb, the tualitin beats the tbird. this was shown by a japanese website about a month ago. tualitin beat tbird, tbird beat coppermine. the tualitin also runs much cooler and uses less than half the power.

 

[BurntKooshie]

Err.....it does not use less than half the power. It is lower power, but not half the power.

 

[Jennifer66]

Well I already have mushkin sdram so I wouldnt need memory.
The cpu has 512k cache not 256k like a coppermine so maybe thats where it gets the performance boost.
I agree with the supermicro board I looked at it on the supermicro site and it dosent look like it would be good for overclocking.
I think I will wait until I can find a tualatin sold by itself.
Good to see someplace is offering them thou,maybe I wont need to wait much longer.
Thanks for the replies.

 

[Swanny]

The reworked core and more cache do give the Tualatin quite a performance boost. And it only uses .25 volts less than a T-bird. And about the performance. In the specs I put together in another of my posts the T-bird was about 300Mhz faster and had DDR memory. And it still cost a lot less. So in that case the T-bird wins. My advise is to get an Athlon unless you are really bent on an Intel rig.

 

[Jennifer66]

Almost all amd boards use via chipsets. Thats the only reason I try to avoid amd cpu's.
I think thier cpus are great, just not the boards.

 

[TuffGuy]

the 1.0ghz coppermine uses ~30w. the tbird uses ~60w. the tualitin uses even less than the coppermine. it might cost you less initially, but if you don't have an amd compliant supply, you *might* need to upgrade it. also, the amount that you spend for electricity WILL add up, so the initial savings are offset with long-term use.

also, the new tualitin chips have the potential for PASSIVE cooling. which would make for COMPLETELY quiet systems.

 

[TuffGuy]

i forgot to mention. my DUAL p3-1000 uses ~60w. my 1.5ghz tbird uses ~90w. let's recap - 2.0ghz uses 60w, 1.5ghz uses ~90w.

a little backwards don't you think?

 

[Blastman]

Yup, the P3-T consumes about half the power of the Athlon.

Athlon 1.1 ? ? 54watts ? (typ.) ? ? 60w ?(max.) ? ?from AMD?s datasheet
P3-T 1.13 ? ? 27.9 ? ? ? (TDP- Thermal design power) ? from Intels datasheet

The TDP for the P3 is set well above what it consumes on typical applications and it is more like a maximum application rating, so it is possible that the P3?s power consumption is well below ½ that of the Athlon?s.

I don?t have the data for the Athlon 1.4 but it is probably 70-75watts. I don?t know about some people, but I?m sure a lot of people don?t need or want a 75 watt furnace on their desktop sucking power (cost$) - and running up their air-conditioning bill (more$).

 

[conlan]

>>>>"Almost all amd boards use via chipsets. Thats the only reason I try to avoid amd cpu's.
I think thier cpus are great, just not the boards.&quot;<<<<

Can't wait for the nVidia n-force, i hear it rocks.

 

[BurntKooshie]

Toughguy - I misread what you stated. I thought you were infering that the Tualitin core dropped power consumption of the &quot;P3 architecture&quot; to half that of the Coppermines core. I can certainly see how the P3 uses less than half the power of an AMD system!

 

[Swanny]

Jennifer66: The board in my post with all the prices actually uses the AMD 760 chipset. It is very stable and is a good performer too. Right now it pretty much leads the Socket A DDR performance arena. And if you want to go the SDR route the Via KT133a chipset is very stable too. It's performance is almost equal to that of a low end DDR setup. The KT133a is Socket A's 440BX. It does not have any of the issues that plagued Via's other products and it's new DDR KT266 chipset.

 

[technogeeky]

And btw, SuperMicro makes some very nice boards - most of their good ones are for the server market, however, and do not apply well to consumer use.

 

[TheTeacher]

P3 Sucks. Intel Sucks. AMD Rules. If you think an Intel system of the same specs beats an AMD system your dead wrong. Unless the AMD system isn't configured correctly.
Mike

 

[Swanny]

<< If you think an Intel system of the same specs beats an AMD system your dead wrong. Unless the AMD system isn't configured correctly. >>



I'm an AMD fan myself, but it's possible for the Tualatin to beat an Athlon. In price for perfromance, no. In clockspeed, no. But in clock for clock performance, after looking closely at the Tualatin's specs, I think it could have a change to beat the T-Bird. But probably not an Athlon MP.

 

[TuffGuy]

<< P3 Sucks. Intel Sucks. AMD Rules. If you think an Intel system of the same specs beats an AMD system your dead wrong. Unless the AMD system isn't configured correctly.
Mike >>


then you're an uninformed idiot. it was shown, using 7.5x159=1192mhz systems that a tualitin beats a tbird in pretty much everything, minus bandwidth. and as we already know, the coppermine and the tbird split the benchmarks.

 

[Blastman]

This hardware site ? ? rigged a P3 512K Tualatin in a desktop and ran some benchmarks. It?s in a foreign language Taiwanese??? ? (The Japanese translator at Altavista does a pretty good job) ? but the benchmarks are readable.

It idles at 25C and only hit 30C during the tests. Looking pretty good in the benches too.

 

[Mapidus]

Will these Coppermine-T's require the newer 815EP based motherboards or will they work with bx, 810, and 815 mobos?

 

[conlan]

They will work with a Bios flash, if offered by the Mobo maker. Abit has released a Bios update for the BX-133, not sure of any others yet.