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Greyd

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I've seen that somewhere. IIRC its a caterpillar that mimics having large eyes to scare off predators and survive.
 

DaShen

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Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Yep, common slug. Not good for plants:(

Tell him to put a saucer full of beer in the flowerbed, the slugs will crawl in and die

cracked egg shells around the plants work okay too.
 

Accipiter22

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slug....the head has those dots on it to simulate eyes, so that enemies get fooled into thinking the slug sees it.
 

RCN

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Can someone explain to me how the 'fake eyes' come about through evolution? Or the instinct the caterpillar has that would seemingly make it aware of the defense mechanism and use it.
 

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Originally posted by: RCN
Can someone explain to me how the 'fake eyes' come about through evolution? Or the instinct the caterpillar has that would seemingly make it aware of the defense mechanism and use it.

the more realistic the fake eyes the less likely it will be eaten by birds. natural selection at its finest.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: RCN
Can someone explain to me how the 'fake eyes' come about through evolution? Or the instinct the caterpillar has that would seemingly make it aware of the defense mechanism and use it.
The standard evolution theory is something like this:
[*]Colors change through mutations.
[*]This particular color pattern meant that fewer of this type were eaten.
[*]Thus more of that color pattern had babies.
[*]Thus you get more and more of that color pattern. Instead of a rare mutation, it becomes common.
 

RCN

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Originally posted by: alien42
Originally posted by: RCN
Can someone explain to me how the 'fake eyes' come about through evolution? Or the instinct the caterpillar has that would seemingly make it aware of the defense mechanism and use it.

the more realistic the fake eyes the less likely it will be eaten by birds. natural selection at its finest.

I understand how it would benefit from fake eyes...........
 

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z42

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Originally posted by: RCN
Originally posted by: alien42
Originally posted by: RCN
Can someone explain to me how the 'fake eyes' come about through evolution? Or the instinct the caterpillar has that would seemingly make it aware of the defense mechanism and use it.

the more realistic the fake eyes the less likely it will be eaten by birds. natural selection at its finest.

I understand how it would benefit from fake eyes...........

It's not evolution, it's natural selection as alien42 said (there is a difference). Not a genetic mutation, just an outward appearance. It's an advantagous trait that some have that make it more likely to survive or reproduce. Similar to how the average human height had been increasing over the past millenia (up until the past 100 years anyway).
 

RCN

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Originally posted by: z42
Originally posted by: RCN
Originally posted by: alien42
Originally posted by: RCN
Can someone explain to me how the 'fake eyes' come about through evolution? Or the instinct the caterpillar has that would seemingly make it aware of the defense mechanism and use it.

the more realistic the fake eyes the less likely it will be eaten by birds. natural selection at its finest.

I understand how it would benefit from fake eyes...........

It's not evolution, it's natural selection as alien42 said (there is a difference). Not a genetic mutation, just an outward appearance. It's an advantagous trait that some have that make it more likely to survive or reproduce. Similar to how the average human height had been increasing over the past millenia (up until the past 100 years anyway).

It had to be a genetic mutation at some point right? I mean I can expect the next generation of caterpillars to have similar markings right? I really don't get the human height comparison.

It just seems unlikely to me that a mimicking trait would develop on its own.......that there was a chance mutation or a gradual change that provided a color scheme that looked like eyes. Even more so since it is seen in several species. Again, I understand how it would be beneficial from a natural selection viewpoint.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: RCN
It just seems unlikely to me that a mimicking trait would develop on its own.
Why?

With the millions of species out there, why is it so hard to think that one random variation would look like another?