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What in the heck is wrong with tv set ?

tyler811

tyler811

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Cliff notes without the long story.

1. Old TV Sceptre 32' LCD 1080p 60 Hz excellent picture Movies tv shows look great.

2. Bought Vizio 37' 1080p 120hz after shopping around for 3 days at 9 different stores. Excellent picture BUT TV shows and movies look fake.

3. I watched movies that I have seen hundreds of times on cable in HD, DVD and Blu-Ray and the forward actors in any scene looked like they were just dropped into the scene with green screen behind them. It is worse in long range shots, it just looks completely fake. I have never noticed it before on my old sets. (32 inch tube and Sceptre) It almost looks like 3-D.

Examples: Tremors a favorite, seen it a thousand times but in the scenes now look like it takes place on a stage with the desert background being fake.
Scenes with two or more people and one person leaves and walks towards the background looks like they magically walk into into the green screen behind and they do not look real.
 
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What in the heck is wrong with tv set ?
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It takes up space.
If you turn it on, idiots are projected into your brain.
It makes you stupid.
It makes you lazy.
It wastes time you could be spending building healthy relations, exercising, or doing something productive.
It changes your brain chemistry, shortening your attention span.
It promotes apathy and consumerism.

People say they want to explore other planets yet given the option will watch Jersey Shore over exploring the planet we got.
 
IronWing said:
It takes up space.
If you turn it on, idiots are projected into your brain.
It makes you stupid.
It makes you lazy.
It wastes time you could be spending building healthy relations, exercising, or doing something productive.
It changes your brain chemistry, shortening your attention span.
It promotes apathy and consumerism.

People say they want to explore other planets yet given the option will watch Jersey Shore over exploring the planet we got.
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Ain't that the truth. Take the TV back, and buy a canoe.
 
You wasted 3 days of time and gas going to 9 stores but ended up with an inferior TV? Ummm, fail?
 
IronWing said:
It takes up space.
If you turn it on, idiots are projected into your brain.
It makes you stupid.
It makes you lazy.
It wastes time you could be spending building healthy relations, exercising, or doing something productive.
It changes your brain chemistry, shortening your attention span.
It promotes apathy and consumerism.

People say they want to explore other planets yet given the option will watch Jersey Shore over exploring the planet we got.
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Actually I hate Jersey Shore and have never even seen. I do however agree about the box making people stupid. Example would be the Kardashions (?). All the people that watched the wedding and then BAM a few months later are suprised that they are actually getting divorced.

People getting national news time before world affairs makes me sick and I would like to bitch slap America to wake people up and say "Hey people they know you are stupid and are laughing all way to the bank because you watch them."

TV here is mostly History Discovery and Animal Planet.
 
Maybe the picture's too good. I actually prefer low def TV. Other than the ridiculous size/weight, I like old CRTs better. Everything is a little softer, and more natural looking to my eyes.
 
Sounds like the soap opera effect where everything looks so realistic it's as if your right there. I watched Avatar on my son's TV a few month ago and that's what it looked like, a soap opera. You have to get used to it I guess, I didn't mind.
 
The image processor is trying to make motion look smoother and interpolating extra frames. Invariably, this will produce strange artifacts. I recommend turning it off. Most > 60hz TVs have a different name for the feature.
 
Ichinisan said:
The image processor is trying to make motion look smoother and interpolating extra frames. Invariably, this will produce strange artifacts. I recommend turning it off. Most > 60hz TVs have a different name for the feature.
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Thanks Ichinisan I turned it off after Pacman 4 posted and it does look better. Its a 120 Hz though thats why I am getting it, the old 60 Hz never did it and does not have a setting on it for it.
 
tyler811 said:
Thanks Ichinisan I turned it off after Pacman 4 posted and it does look better. Its a 120 Hz though thats why I am getting it, the old 60 Hz never did it and does not have a setting on it for it.
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60Hz TVs don't have the issue. Only >60Hz (120Hz, 240Hz, etc) TVs can have this fancy motion-enhancing "feature."

...and, to clarify: You're not missing-out on anything by turning it off. No TV broadcasts are 120hz.

The NTSC standard (North America, Japan, etc) is 60hz. A lot of other places (Europe, Australia, etc) use PAL at 50hz. These days, most PAL TVs also support 60hz (especially for HD content).

Theatrical movies and TV shows filmed on 35mm are natively 24hz, but they are converted to 60hz when broadcast. The technique of tripling / doubling alternate frames is called "3:2 pulldown." The uneven doubling of frames causes an effect called "judder," where movement on the screen doesn't appear smooth. It's not always noticeable.

The only reason for a TV to refresh 120 times per second is that it's a multiple of both 24 and 60, so the display doesn't have to do any uneven frame-doubling and there's no judder. Content at 60hz will display every frame twice, so it adds-up to 120hz. Content at 24hz will display each frame 5 times.

Your 120hz TV's image processor should detect 3:2 pulldown and reverse it so the content is shown in its native 24fps, and the judder effect is removed.

The smooth-motion feature is something extra they add to make the set catch your attention at a retail sales floor. Most owners quickly discover the annoying side-effects and turn the feature off.

It's funny that TV manufacturers pretend it's necessary for a "3D" TV to be 240hz, while 120hz is at least twice as fast as any broadcast content (enough to have 60fps per-eye).
 
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