What if there was an armed uprising in USA?

[rudder]

Its a good question.

At some point, police and government goons will make a choice between their duty as police or government goons and their duty as fellow American citizens. The extent as to which is going to make or break any kind of armed revolt. If you have a lot a dedicated police/goons, the armed revolt is squashed quickly.

I think that if a large scale revolt ever broke out, nothing would stop it. After all, we are talking about employees here who are tasked with keeping order. People with free will to choose, people with families. Not robots who just follow orders.

As the middle class shrinks we are seeing that the federal jobs are golden. As private sector wages go down, those with federal jobs are doing fine. At some point we could see that government goon really torn between siding with their fellow Americans or giving up a life that has become much better than the people without government jobs. Whether two people with a business dealing are both Americans does nothing to alter the fact that when it comes to money... people will screw you over in a second.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

As for the second point, I imagine any such rebels would certainly not stand in the corn fields waiting for American heavy equipment to roll them over - just like in Syria it would start in urban environments. Imagine perhaps armed groups taking over sections of skyscrapers in downtown NYC.

Or any other nations where you have had armed civil insurrections which included bombings and assassinations where the attackers fade back into the populace. So the only recourse for the powers at large would be to start targeting the civilian populace to attempt to weed out any insurgents.

 

[WelshBloke]

I'm getting the feeling that some of you lie in your beds at night fantasising about this.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

I'm getting the feeling that some of you lie in your beds at night fantasising about this.

Or maybe its just common sense that no one would stand and fight the best military in the world in a up front brawl if there was a armed uprising.

 

[Zorkorist]

We revolted against the British, and we will need to do it again.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Both are Governments, exercising domination, submission, authoritarianism, etc.-John

 

[Zorkorist]

What ever happened to freedom?

-John

 

[tweaker2]

The fight isn't going to be so much against the gov't. Rather, it's going to be against the small minority of folks who own it.

 

[WelshBloke]

Out of interest what would be your demands and how would they be achieved?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

What ever happened to freedom?

There is no such thing as "absolute" or "real" freedom because we will always be constrained by physical and natural laws (ie; reality).

Sadly, in reality, conflicts of interest inherently exist among rational men (contrary to what Ayn Rand might say) and one man's "freedom" of action will come at the cost of another man's "freedom". Example: Person A wants to farm Parcel X. Person B wants to farm Parcel X. Only one person can farm Parcel X. If Person A is farming Parcel X then Person B has lost his freedom to farm Parcel X. In other words, we live in a world of finite, limited resources (including arable land and water).

The implications of this unpalatable reality are that we can only seek to maximize and justly distribute "freedom".

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Everyone seems to be assuming that a mindless liberal mob would start the revolution and that they would advocate some form of communism or socialism. However, the armed militias are primarily right-wing and the most organized "insurgent" group is the right wing Tea Party movement.

Thus, if we were to see a revolution, wouldn't it be a revolution in favor of establishing laissez-faire capitalism and a Christian theocracy? Would the revolutionaries put this on their flag?

 

[BlueWolf47]

I watch doomsday preppers alot and they are almost entirely right wing gun touting nutjobs. I think deep down inside they are hoping something catastrophic happens. Otherwise they will look like absolue retards for spending their life savings on weapons, bunkers, and food stockpiles.

I really see no difference between their pratice scenarios and a bunch of kids in preschool playing cowboys and indians.

But there is a part of me that wants to try it out because it looks kinda fun lol. I mean who wouldn't want to have an underground mancave bunker.

 

[Doppel]

I watch doomsday preppers alot and they are almost entirely right wing gun touting nutjobs. I think deep down inside they are hoping something catastrophic happens. Otherwise they will look like absolue retards for spending their life savings on weapons, bunkers, and food stockpiles.

I really see no difference between their pratice scenarios and a bunch of kids in preschool playing cowboys and indians.

But there is a part of me that wants to try it out because it looks kinda fun lol. I mean who wouldn't want to have an underground mancave bunker.

I am on the same page with you and this show. I watch it and doomsday castle now as well. Both totally mindless but surprisingly interesting. These people with their high blood pressure and no retirement savings proudly advertising their preps, the likelihood of those preps coming into play before a massive stroke or penniless retirement so low it's a tragedy.

 

[BlueWolf47]

I am on the same page with you and this show. I watch it and doomsday castle now as well. Both totally mindless but surprisingly interesting. These people with their high blood pressure and no retirement savings proudly advertising their preps, the likelihood of those preps coming into play before a massive stroke or penniless retirement so low it's a tragedy.

Whats really funny is each prepper is preparing for a differnet type of catastrophe, most of which are statistical improbable or impossible.


More than likely, the dad on doomsday castle will be dead before they actually finish it.

 

[Matt1970]

Ya, but even the right wing nutjobs you are talking about are just arming to defend themselves, not to take over the economy or the assets rich, or government.

 

[BlueWolf47]

Ya, but even the right wing nutjobs you are talking about are just arming to defend themselves, not to take over the economy or the assets rich, or government.

Actually, some our planning for the government to implement martial law and think they will have to fight them. Thats about as anti government you can get.


When you hear a gun advocate say, If you want to take my gun youll have to pry it out of my cold dead hands, there should be a cause for concern over their mental instability.

 

[rudder]

When you hear a gun advocate say, If you want to take my gun youll have to pry it out of my cold dead hands, there should be a cause for concern over their mental instability.

I am more concerned with the seemingly large group of citizens who do not question the government and willingly give up their constitutional rights because the government said it was for the best.

 

[FaaR]

just like in Syria it would start in urban environments. Imagine perhaps armed groups taking over sections of skyscrapers in downtown NYC.

That's utterly prepostrous. The least chance of success any US armed uprising would have is in large metropolitan environments (not that it would ever have any chance, period).

Once you're in your skyscraper, what will you do then, declare victory over the oppressors in D.C.? If you were actually any kind of credible threat, you'd have special forces helicopters landing on the roof coming down the stairwells and possibly also rappelling down the sides, and troops coming up from the ground. Elevators won't work, you're now stuck in a concrete and glass trap, congratulations. They'll sweep the building, kill you, then leave the way they came. End of your revolution. ...And if you're not a credible threat, N.Y. cops would arrive to sort you out (and they would.)

No, better stick to the deep forests of montana in your little mountain hideouts and dirt cellars packed to the brim with canned goods. How will you Che Guevara revolutionaries survive in the urban jungle of NY once power goes out (and it will, of course). No lights, no heat, no water or sanitation. When people can't go to McDonald's for food (or anywhere else for that matter), you'll have mass riots on your hand, not a coordinated fight against the government...

This is all delusional nonsense.

 

[Thebobo]

Nsa nsa nsa nsa nsa nsa nsa nsa nsa nsa nsa

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'm getting the feeling that some of you lie in your beds at night fantasising about this.

Everyone needs a hobby. Besides Pizza is right. Any resistance would be crushed before it was born regardless of the precipitating factor. Never was a government so secure from the governed.

 

[tweaker2]

I am more concerned with the seemingly large group of citizens who do not question the government and willingly give up their constitutional rights because the government said it was for the best.

I am even more concerned with the seemingly very small amount of people who would subvert the constitution from the inside out, all while they are guised and gowned as the titular head defenders of it, and all for another seemingly small amount of people who have corrupted these "defenders" beyond healing and redemption.

 

[piasabird]

Debt could be paid off through hyperinflation. When this happens the new money outpaces the old debt and it become meaningless. If a big mac costs $1,000 old debt becomes easy to pay off.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Revolt? That might mean losing your internet capability. iPhone. Directv.
Naw... nada never going to happen.
Well maybe with like 25 tea party hermit families that live way out in Wyoming.
I doubt 25 tea party members would be enough.
Aren't we first waiting for the war the Beatles predicted, anyhow?
Wasn't it.....hmmm....Helter Skelter?
Or was that the name of the famous lady that taught the blind kid?

That was charlie manson who really, really, really misinterpreted the song's meaning. But preach on, preach on, he still has children out there

 

[Gintaras]

What ever happened to freedom?

-John

This:

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

 

[Matt1970]

Actually, some our planning for the government to implement martial law and think they will have to fight them. Thats about as anti government you can get.


When you hear a gun advocate say, If you want to take my gun youll have to pry it out of my cold dead hands, there should be a cause for concern over their mental instability.

That's a huge difference between stockpiling some weapons “incase” the government declares martial law and actually planning an armed uprising.