What if the world no longer needed Middle East oil?

[chucky2]

For now its global. I bet once we use all the oil in the world we would nationalize the oil companies and take the oil for only the united states. Leaving the rest of the world to burn. That would give us enough time to get other solutions in place. At that point the world population would of dropped back down to manageable levels and we could get our new war machines rolling over the peasants that remain. And I? I will be drinking Californian red wines of the finest quality and eating red meat.

"And I"?? You'd be dead, along with anyone else west of the Rockies, as that's likely where'd we'd be able to make our best stand against the Chinese, Indians, and Russia.

Or if you weren't dead, the only red meat you'd be eating would be from a gay commander named Yuri.

Nice fantasy world you've conjured up there.... :thumbsup:

Don't worry though, that MIC you rag on about would at least die trying to prevent that from happening...them MIC b@stards....

Chuck

 

[JSt0rm]

"And I"?? You'd be dead, along with anyone else west of the Rockies, as that's likely where'd we'd be able to make our best stand against the Chinese, Indians, and Russia.

Or if you weren't dead, the only red meat you'd be eating would be from a gay commander named Yuri.

Nice fantasy world you've conjured up there.... :thumbsup:

Don't worry though, that MIC you rag on about would at least die trying to prevent that from happening...them MIC b@stards....

Chuck

wtf is a mic?

 

[chucky2]

Unreal...you're b1tching about getting the "war machines" rolling, WhoTF do you think dreams them up, designs them, tests them, builds them, validates them? The Military Industry Complex you're in effect ragging about...

 

[JSt0rm]

Unreal...you're b1tching about getting the "war machines" rolling, WhoTF do you think dreams them up, designs them, tests them, builds them, validates them? The Military Industry Complex you're in effect ragging about...

blarg blarg blarg blarg. Guess we know what industry you work in.

 

[chucky2]

blarg blarg blarg blarg. Guess we know what industry you work in.

Nope.

 

[Modelworks]

I think it is likely that we will find ways to use quite a bit less oil.

There was this article about batteries at a university in Texas that said they were using nanotube fibers to make batteries. It did not hold a charge longer, but it did charge faster because it worked like a capaciter and could pass electric power at a faster rate.

As we start looking at things differently we will probably develop new energy sources. I could see a vehicle that could run off of water by converting the water to oxygen and hydrogen and then use that as a fuel. I think this is quite possible, and it might be possible to use sea water or contaminated/waste water.

What are nanotube fibers made from ? What makes the plastic that encases the batteries ? What will be used to coat the wiring for insulation ? Those pipes that carry the contaminated waste water can't be metal because it would corrode, guess that means pvc, another oil product. Going to need paint to cover the metal parts to keep them from rusting, acrylic is oil derived. Could use latex, but guess what , it is oil derived too ! What will planes run off of ? Without oil there is no asphalt for the roads.


This is the problem with how people are thinking. They are thinking the only thing we need to do is find another energy source and the problem is solved. The energy really isn't the big deal, it is all the other stuff that oil provides as a chemical component in products that there is no alternative for. If it came down to it you could put people running hamster wheels to generate power, use nuclear, water , solar, wind, and that problem can be solved. It is the other stuff that is a huge problem. Without oil you can't even build the other stuff.

 

[bfdd]

My uncle is an electrical engineer who designs power plants for a major utility. He has been with them for 30+ years. People think electric cars are the future, he laughed when the topic came up. He said the government doesn't want people to think about it, but the utilities have done the calculations and if we replaced the current combustion engines with electric it would require building 134 nuclear plants in the USA just to power those vehicles. There is no way that will ever happen.

Obviously we're not going to build 134 nuke plants, but the use of them will allow us to stop using so much oil in other areas. You have your post talking about oil used for many other things, if we didn't need it for fuel that's all it would be used for. This whole "omg we're going to run out of oil and the world falls apart" crap just isn't true. It would be less true if we started using the "mature" technologies that are available to us rather than waste time pissing and moaning over immature technologies now and slowly started weaning certain segments of society off of oil as a fuel source.

 

[Darwin333]

For now its global. I bet once we use all the oil in the world we would nationalize the oil companies and take the oil for only the united states. Leaving the rest of the world to burn. That would give us enough time to get other solutions in place. At that point the world population would of dropped back down to manageable levels and we could get our new war machines rolling over the peasants that remain. And I? I will be drinking Californian red wines of the finest quality and eating red meat.

Neither of us will be alive when the world "runs out of oil" and if our kids, and their kids, aren't smart enough to solve the problem the world is fucked anyway.

We are finding new and insanely large oil fields pretty regularly. Even here in the States we have huge areas, that likely have a fuckton of oil, that we haven't even seriously looked for it. New and ever improving technology allows us to find and produce oil in places that a few decades ago we wouldn't even dream of looking, I assume this trend will continue as well.

Cheap oil ($20-$40/BBL) is over but we are in no danger of running out. The more expensive it gets the more it is looked for, found, and produced.

Right now the only question for us is, would we rather produce a bit more of our own oil and get our military the fuck out of ME and ME politics as well as drastically reduce the chance of economic ruin should some shithole country do something crazy or would we rather keep up with the status quo. We don't even like the Saudi's but I guarantee you that if someone fucks with them we are going to be watching "Shock and Awe 2.0" on CNN within a week.

 

[bfdd]

Darwin33, from what I've heard quite a few American oil companies are weakening their refining segment, but investing more heavily in exploration and extraction now. Wonder if CLite is around to confirm/deny\?

 

[Darwin333]

What are nanotube fibers made from ? What makes the plastic that encases the batteries ? What will be used to coat the wiring for insulation ? Those pipes that carry the contaminated waste water can't be metal because it would corrode, guess that means pvc, another oil product. Going to need paint to cover the metal parts to keep them from rusting, acrylic is oil derived. Could use latex, but guess what , it is oil derived too ! What will planes run off of ? Without oil there is no asphalt for the roads.


This is the problem with how people are thinking. They are thinking the only thing we need to do is find another energy source and the problem is solved. The energy really isn't the big deal, it is all the other stuff that oil provides as a chemical component in products that there is no alternative for. If it came down to it you could put people running hamster wheels to generate power, use nuclear, water , solar, wind, and that problem can be solved. It is the other stuff that is a huge problem. Without oil you can't even build the other stuff.

Remove the need to use oil for energy and we have plenty of domestic supply and future capacity to get us to whatever our kids figure out to use as a replacement long after we are dead and buried.

The point is, we CAN start replacing the energy we get from oil AND eliminate our need to have a military presence in the ME right now. There is no silver bullet and no overnight solution but as my dad taught me ya gotta get it started if ya wanna get it done.

 

[feralkid]

What are nanotube fibers made from ? What makes the plastic that encases the batteries ? What will be used to coat the wiring for insulation ? Those pipes that carry the contaminated waste water can't be metal because it would corrode, guess that means pvc, another oil product. Going to need paint to cover the metal parts to keep them from rusting, acrylic is oil derived. Could use latex, but guess what , it is oil derived too ! What will planes run off of ? Without oil there is no asphalt for the roads.

Soy.

 

[Kadarin]

The section of the world literally has NOTHING to offer the world outside of oil.

This part is true. The Islamic world really is worthless.

 

[gevorg]

[size=+1]Israel.


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