Sheesh. Never mind. I answered your questions now you don't want answer mine. (It was the question in my original post after all). Oh well, thanks for your participation anyway.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
I've read your posts Infohawk. You're just trying to get me into some group so you can use some generic attack against that particular group(i.e. christian, conservative, or the P&N buzzword "neocon", etc.)
nick1985
Lifer
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Originally posted by: Infohawk
I helped you out. I cut out the parts of your last post that were agressive and off-topic.
I think the left has been associated with some pretty impressive ideas:
- American Revolution (massachusetts liberals)
- emancipation of slaves (and forget party labels Lincoln was a liberal and the south was conservative)
- woman's right to vote
- civil rights movement
- social justice
- science
- democracy
isnt it funny that our founding fathers would make you cringe infohawk? they believied in <<<GASP>>> GOD! and they owned slaves! face it infohawk, times are different now. just because i am a conservative in this lifetime does not mean that i believe in slavery or any of that other crap you posted.
Fair enough. You are the first to answer the question.
But if conservatives have been so wrong in the past, doesn't it suggest they and you will be wrong in the future? If history is an indicator, today's conservatives ideas will be seen like the old conservative ideas are in a hundred years from now.
Nope, I'm just observing right now, though I won't post until I have a disantinonargumentativeless post in mind. (I'm alluding to another rather humorous thread that I think CAD had posted in.)
nick1985
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its funny how you consider our revolution so liberal. you are aware that our founding fathers would disagree with you on just about everything right?
and speaking of the past...the term liberal or conservative hundreds of years ago does not mean the same ideas of today. social liberals in the 18th century were all god fearing upper class. do they share the same beliefs as you? no. does you being a liberal now mean you share the beliefs of the french revolutionary liberals of 1789? no.
liberal/conservative hundreds of years ago != liberal/conservative today
**EDIT** i forgot to mention that the LIBERAL French Revolution was a failure. that doesnt mean i label liberals as doomed to fail.
Bowfinger
Lifer
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Because Cad's whole purpose in life has become preventing Bush opponents from expressing themselves. Whether it's harassing innocent observers at a Bush masses or hijacking threads here, he has committed himself to trampling others' free speech. The closer we get to the election, the more shrill and disruptive he becomes.Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Is there such a thing as off-topic in a troll thread? just curious as I don't think we discussed that.
CsG
You've expressed you think this thread is a troll on numerous occasions. Why don't you act mature, leave the thread, and let others post. Thanks.
I'm starting to feel sorry for him. Every reason he once supported Bush has been discredited, so he has nothing positive left to say. Look at this thread. Seven posts so far and not a lick of content in any of them. Every single one is an attack, aimed at you or your topic. t's a sure sign of his growing desperation.
That's because you're not compelled to suppress discussion just because you disagree with it. You don't have to have the last word on everything. You recognize your opinion isn't the only opinion. In short, you're the better man.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Because Cad's whole purpose in life has become preventing Bush opponents from expressing themselves. Whether it's harassing innocent observers at a Bush masses or hijacking threads here, he has committed himself to trampling others' free speech. The closer we get to the election, the more shrill and disruptive he becomes.Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Is there such a thing as off-topic in a troll thread? just curious as I don't think we discussed that.
CsG
You've expressed you think this thread is a troll on numerous occasions. Why don't you act mature, leave the thread, and let others post. Thanks.
I'm starting to feel sorry for him. Every reason he once supported Bush has been discredited, so he has nothing positive left to say. Look at this thread. Seven posts so far and not a lick of content in any of them. Every single one is an attack, aimed at you or your topic. t's a sure sign of his growing desperation.
That's because you're not compelled to suppress discussion just because you disagree with it. You don't have to have the last word on everything. You recognize your opinion isn't the only opinion. In short, you're the better man.
You really don't think this thread is a troll, bow?
Figures:roll:
Stroke the troll if you wish...
CsG
Turning in...worked too hard today. But before I do, I'd like to ask CAD one more question. You've replied with the cookie emoticon often...and derided or chastized other members (usually for posting negatively about Bush). Are all of these replies in response to 'troll threads'?
But before I do, I'd like to ask CAD one more question. You've replied with the cookie emoticon often...and derided or chastized other members (usually for posting negatively about Bush). Are all of these replies in response to 'troll threads'?
Corn
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Because Cad's whole purpose in life has become preventing Bush opponents from expressing themselves. Whether it's harassing innocent observers at a Bush masses or hijacking threads here, he has committed himself to trampling others' free speech. The closer we get to the election, the more shrill and disruptive he becomes.Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Is there such a thing as off-topic in a troll thread? just curious as I don't think we discussed that.
CsG
You've expressed you think this thread is a troll on numerous occasions. Why don't you act mature, leave the thread, and let others post. Thanks.
I'm starting to feel sorry for him. Every reason he once supported Bush has been discredited, so he has nothing positive left to say. Look at this thread. Seven posts so far and not a lick of content in any of them. Every single one is an attack, aimed at you or your topic. t's a sure sign of his growing desperation.
That's because you're not compelled to suppress discussion just because you disagree with it. You don't have to have the last word on everything. You recognize your opinion isn't the only opinion. In short, you're the better man.
You really don't think this thread is a troll, bow?
Figures:roll:
Stroke the troll if you wish...
CsG
Is Bowfinger any different than Infotroll? C'mon Cad, you give him far more credit than he deserves. This topic is an act of desperation, calling a spade a spade is merely an accurate description. Kinda like comparing your average leftie to your average NAMBLA member. Sure, they're both liberal, aren't they? What's the difference?
Well I guess the difference is that I'm not serious in my supposed comparison and I'm not going to start an idiotic discussion on such a ridiculous comparison. Oddly enough, I'm not a moron bigot. Go figure.
Steeplerot
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Comrade! Incoming tranmission from the people's Socialist Commonwealth of San Franciscov! I think Comrade Steeplerot is out of dew again (code red of course!) -as follows (in a dodgy type manner):
WTF is with this all liberals want world goverment and socialism?
UH OH YOU KNEW ALL ALONG YOU AND COULTER AND RUSH!! TEH BIG SOCIALIST CONSPIRACY OMFG CALL CHENEY!!!
Those 2 homeless socialist punks living in that van in the ghetto in little saigon-san francisco are cloning Marx right now!
(real story-but never worked lol they were too drunk and just had pee in old bottles)
00000000000HHHHHHHHH N000000000000000ES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
About the world goverment rush coulter type conspiracy crap jtusa4 is trolling about.
Ok maybe if this world was star trek and San Francisco was the Capitol of the federation then yes, it would be cool and I'd have a big ship with mega-blast cannons of pwnge. (And lots of grren skinned hotties to visit)
But this is 2004 who would want a president that you couldn't at least understand his language cuz hes from China or some stuff..
World goverment? I guess I never got my Liberal Brainwashing 101 Propaganda Modules last time Almighty Hilary came to distribute our tin-foil after all the libs do their secret handshake (or does hand shake YOU?)
Socialists? yes I have seen them around and some of their ideas are exellent, granted yes, some countries waay up in the coldness have awesome set-ups, I mean I like cold but daaaaaaaamn.
But your typical Dem is from smaller cities where ther are NO socialists. OMG I've known like 12 socialists (hardcore ones with big doc marten boots and all) and I have worked in nightclubs and coffeshops here for almost 10 years.
Most people voting for Kerry or a Lib or whatever are just regualar people pissed off at dumbass bush and don't want us to be represented across the world by a small minded ASSH0LE.
With all the lies he is spewing you need to get over your leftist conspiracy and take a hard look at why so many good average people are fed up.
Get a clue when we have HUGE protests it gathers like 20 socialists o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o!
/needs more m.dew damnit...
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WTF is with this all liberals want world goverment and socialism?
UH OH YOU KNEW ALL ALONG YOU AND COULTER AND RUSH!! TEH BIG SOCIALIST CONSPIRACY OMFG CALL CHENEY!!!
Those 2 homeless socialist punks living in that van in the ghetto in little saigon-san francisco are cloning Marx right now!
(real story-but never worked lol they were too drunk and just had pee in old bottles)
00000000000HHHHHHHHH N000000000000000ES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
About the world goverment rush coulter type conspiracy crap jtusa4 is trolling about.
Ok maybe if this world was star trek and San Francisco was the Capitol of the federation then yes, it would be cool and I'd have a big ship with mega-blast cannons of pwnge. (And lots of grren skinned hotties to visit)
But this is 2004 who would want a president that you couldn't at least understand his language cuz hes from China or some stuff..
World goverment? I guess I never got my Liberal Brainwashing 101 Propaganda Modules last time Almighty Hilary came to distribute our tin-foil after all the libs do their secret handshake (or does hand shake YOU?)
Socialists? yes I have seen them around and some of their ideas are exellent, granted yes, some countries waay up in the coldness have awesome set-ups, I mean I like cold but daaaaaaaamn.
But your typical Dem is from smaller cities where ther are NO socialists. OMG I've known like 12 socialists (hardcore ones with big doc marten boots and all) and I have worked in nightclubs and coffeshops here for almost 10 years.
Most people voting for Kerry or a Lib or whatever are just regualar people pissed off at dumbass bush and don't want us to be represented across the world by a small minded ASSH0LE.
With all the lies he is spewing you need to get over your leftist conspiracy and take a hard look at why so many good average people are fed up.
Get a clue when we have HUGE protests it gathers like 20 socialists o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o!
/needs more m.dew damnit...
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Bowfinger
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No, I think it is a thought-provoking question, at least for those who are honest enough and open-minded enough to engage in a little self-reflection. One of the defining characteristics of conservatism is resistance to change, i.e., support of the status quo. This is both a strength and a weakness. It is a strength when it resists disruptive influences that can be harmful to society. It is a weakness when the status quo embraces as dogma notions that more enlightened minds realize are outdated, uncivilized, etc.
Infohawk offered several examples of such notions. These ideas all had broad acceptance at certains times and places in history. Today we recognize them as harmful, if not repugnant. The question Infohawk asks is what do conservatives accept as dogma today that future generations will find just as repugnant as slavery, for example? It's an interesting question if you're willing to consider it.
I would offer universal health care as one potential candidate. While many of today's conservatives regard it as a privilege, I believe our great grandchildren will find this absurd. It will be accepted that comprehensive health care is a fundamental human right, a minimum standard for being a truly civilized society.
Many of you will no doubt disagree. You may be right. Only time will tell. Just remember that two hundred years ago, conservatives felt just as strongly about the right to own slaves as you now feel about the lack of a right to universal health care.
Kerry is for U.N.
U.N. = Socialism on a global scale
You should put your vote into a third party candidate because Kerry sure as hell isn't going to do a better job than Bush.
I read untill this post, and i'm going to bed now, but please, hang on to the thought and believe that socialism is a flawed system. Because i'm totally gonna be the one to disguss that with _you_ in about 12 hours of sleep!
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