What I have found out about God.

[WelshBloke]

Okay, dear my opponents here, before asking me a question, you first tell me what answer you expect from me, I mean you want me to answer you because your question is grounded on honest intelligent productive thinking, or answer you also according to the way you think and write, which is basically intended to be obstructive and obscurantistic, demeaning to your nature as a homo sapiens.

Dear everyone, do you notice that my style is not to ask questions, not usually, to people who ask me questions, but to answer their questions, on condition that their questions indicate that they are doing honest intelligent productive thinking, instead of engaging their otherwise God-given brain to do monkey business - apologies to monkeys, just being corny though, dear monkeys, from my part.

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Thats a lot of avoiding the question there.

 

[sdifox]

Eris pads her chest!

 

[IronWing]

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Why did the creators of the alphabet put the letters that look alike right next to each other? Were they f'in' with us?

 

[Marius Dejess]

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Thats a lot of avoiding the question there.

That is drivel from you, just read below for your orientation, and I want to notify you that as the author of the present thread, my job is to also remind posters to not bring in drivel here - give some credit to AT for hosting this forum.

See if you dare to do some genuinely honest intelligent productive thinking and writing, tell me just one objection against my proof for the existence of God, in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning, in just less than 40 words.

Here is my proof:

1. We exist, that is a fact.

2. The universe exists, that is a fact.

3. We and the universe have a beginning.

4. Therefore A: By implication from No. 1 and No. 2, there is an entity without beginning, namely, God.

5. Therefore B Final: God exists in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.


Present just only one objection, and drafted in less than 40 words - otherwise you don’t have a genuine idea of your objection.



{For your orientation}

God in concept is the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.

And here is the OP:

Marius Dejess said:

Title of thread: What I have found out about God.

I have found out that God in concept is the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.

And how did I find that out?

By reasoning on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas.

What is the benefit to me from the concept of God as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning?

It brings me to the certain knowledge that God exists, whereas before I had only the belief that God exists, but not the certain knowledge.

Still I can't get God to talk with me.

{End of post}

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[sandorski]

lol

 

[IronWing]

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Here is my proof:

1. We exist, that is a fact.

2. The universe exists, that is a fact.

3. We and the universe have a beginning.

4. Therefore A: By implication from No. 1 and No. 2, there is an entity without beginning, namely, God.

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Your proof lacks a certain proofiness. I think you might want to expand a bit on the words bolded above.

Also, and this is the important part, really…

Hi SaltyNuts!

 

[WelshBloke]

That is drivel from you,,...

I mean that is just getting you to expand on your argument. If its drivel its your drivel.

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Here is my proof:

1. We exist, that is a fact.

2. The universe exists, that is a fact.

3. We and the universe have a beginning.

4. Therefore A: By implication from No. 1 and No. 2, there is an entity without beginning, namely, God.

5. Therefore B Final: God exists in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.

Point one is fine. Point two is fine.
Point three is a massive unsupported assumption.
Point four is terrible, the universe by existing in no way implies that there "an entity without beginning, namely, God."
Point five is utterly unsupported and is just an opinion unrelated to your other points.

Your logic is utterly awful to the point of non existence.

 

[mikeymikec]

It's interesting that God absolutely can't have a beginning, but the universe definitely must.

It's also interesting that if those two points are true, that God must have created the universe.

Why?

The only reason why this is a discussion is because many of us were fed this BS from day one.

 

[ElFenix]

Still just Aristotle's unmoved mover.

 

[WelshBloke]

Still just Aristotle's unmoved mover.

Its more Aristotle's unmoved mover through the lens of someone whose spent a life drinking heavily and then is trying to recall the philosophy that they learnt at school.

 

[Iron Woode]

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That is drivel from you, just read below for your orientation, and I want to notify you that as the author of the present thread, my job is to also remind posters to not bring in drivel here - give some credit to AT for hosting this forum.

See if you dare to do some genuinely honest intelligent productive thinking and writing, tell me just one objection against my proof for the existence of God, in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning, in just less than 40 words.

Here is my proof:

1. We exist, that is a fact.

2. The universe exists, that is a fact.

3. We and the universe have a beginning.

4. Therefore A: By implication from No. 1 and No. 2, there is an entity without beginning, namely, God.

5. Therefore B Final: God exists in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.


Present just only one objection, and drafted in less than 40 words - otherwise you don’t have a genuine idea of your objection.



{For your orientation}

God in concept is the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.

And here is the OP:

{End of post}

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LOL

your proof uses the logic of a 6 year old.

Therefore, your grade is an F.

 

[Marius Dejess]

Thanks, IronWing, for your submission, in the following words:
"Your proof lacks a certain proofiness. I think you might want to expand a bit on the words bolded above."

I need precision and determination from you, so just draft in less than 50 words what is your objection, okay?

What is precision and determination in a communication?

It is the opposite of saying that my proof lacks a certain proofiness.


Now, for readers, think that you and I and he she it, we all exist and have a beginning, is that from me lacking a certain proofiness?

Your proof lacks a certain proofiness. I think you might want to expand a bit on the words bolded above.

Also, and this is the important part, really…

Hi SaltyNuts!

 

[sdifox]

Eris pads her chest!

 

[Captante]

Dear everyone, this is good for you all to guard against useless posters

So .... you're saying we should block you?

 

[WelshBloke]

Thanks, IronWing, for your submission, in the following words:
"Your proof lacks a certain proofiness. I think you might want to expand a bit on the words bolded above."

I need precision and determination from you, so just draft in less than 50 words what is your objection, okay?

What is precision and determination in a communication?

It is the opposite of saying that my proof lacks a certain proofiness.


Now, for readers, think that you and I and he she it, we all exist and have a beginning, is that from me lacking a certain proofiness?

Bad bot! Answer the questions!

 

[sandorski]

Much of this video proposes questions/ideas that are appropriate for this Thread.

 

[Captante]

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That is drivel from you, just read below for your orientation, and I want to notify you that as the author of the present thread, my job is to also remind posters to not bring in drivel here - give some credit to AT for hosting this forum.

See if you dare to do some genuinely honest intelligent productive thinking and writing, tell me just one objection against my proof for the existence of God, in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning, in just less than 40 words.

Here is my proof:

1. We exist, that is a fact.

2. The universe exists, that is a fact.

3. We and the universe have a beginning.

4. Therefore A: By implication from No. 1 and No. 2, there is an entity without beginning, namely, God.

5. Therefore B Final: God exists in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.


Present just only one objection, and drafted in less than 40 words - otherwise you don’t have a genuine idea of your objection.



{For your orientation}

God in concept is the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning.

And here is the OP:

{End of post}

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TL : DR


almost like staring at lines of 1's and 0's .... erm ... wait

 

[Marius Dejess]

Dear sandorski, I am disappointed with you, because for having a brain and education, you have to bring up another human's thinking, i.e. some stranger’s video recording.

Think and talk by yourself, for yourself, from yourself, and to people who want to hear something that comes from your very own honest intelligent thinking and writing.

Otherwise, you have no self at all, like a robot - and more dreadfully you don't even know it, that you act like you have no consciousness of your self.

Did you ever in grade school learn this ditty:

I had a little tea party,
this afternoon at three.
Twas very small,
three guests in all:
just I, myself and me.

You don’t have any self at all, the way you conduct yourself.

Forgive me, but I am reminded of zombies, you qualify at least to play zombie in films.

That is my message to everyone here for today.

Much of this video proposes...

 

[sandorski]

Dear sandorski, I am disappointed with you, because for having a brain and education, you have to bring up another human's thinking, i.e. some stranger’s video recording.

Think and talk by yourself, for yourself, from yourself, and to people who want to hear something that comes from your very own honest intelligent thinking and writing.

Otherwise, you have no self at all, like a robot - and more dreadfully you don't even know it, that you act like you have no consciousness of your self.

Did you ever in grade school learn this ditty:

I had a little tea party,
this afternoon at three.
Twas very small,
three guests in all:
just I, myself and me.

You don’t have any self at all, the way you conduct yourself.

Forgive me, but I am reminded of zombies, you qualify at least to play zombie in films.

That is my message to everyone here for today.

Everything you have said has been said and debunked centuries before you were born.

 

[Marius Dejess]

Dear sardoski, do you know that you were born of your papa and mama?

Dear readers, I will show you that sardoski cannot think for himself, not because he has no brain, but because his brain is saturated with nothing of fruits from his own thinking.

That is why he is a zombie, but this zombie aside from enactments exhibited by Hollywood zombies, his specialty is repeating other people's words, for example, the following line regurgitated by him:
"Everything you have said has been said and debunked centuries before you were born."

Okay, dear readers, this is the test for determining whether sardoski can achieve from his own honest intelligent productive thinking, some enlightening thought, instead of operating like a zombie on my description of a zombie.

Tell me, sardoski, what is the difference between a fact and a truth?

For example, I say: "Washington D.C. is the capital of the USA," is it a fact or a truth or what?

Dear sardoski, I honestly care to learn from you, something that is at least you present in your very own words and delivery - but to date nothing.

And that is one of the objectives of a forum, that we learn from one another.

PS: I am still waiting to read from you what is a demonstration, the word you brought up at the very start of this thread.

 

[WelshBloke]

I am still waiting to read from you what is a demonstration, the word you brought up at the very start of this thread.

And I'm still waiting for you to answer simple questions that directly relate to things that you have said in this thread.
You are terrible at following a train of thought or addressing anything said to you. Its like you work from a script. And a script that has a limited number of variables that can be dealt with at a time.e.

 

[sdifox]

Eris pads her chest!

 

[Marius Dejess]

Dear readers, my opponents here are timid to address the issue here, wherefore that is reminiscent of one atheist, namely, Richard Dawkins - who is called a coward for not accepting to debate a Christian thinker, William Lane Craig.

Richard Dawkins has made his name as the scourge of organised religion who branded the Roman Catholic Church “evil” and once called the Pope “a leering old villain in a frock”. But he now stands accused of “cowardice” after refusing four invitations to debate the existence of God with a renowned Christian philosopher.May 14, 2011

Richard Dawkins Called "Coward" by Oxford Atheist for not Debating William Lane Craig 1-on-1 •Jul 6, 2011

See:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjUysHxpN_qAhVyHKYKHUAoCjEQFjABegQIDBAF&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2Freligion%2F8511931%2FRichard-Dawkins-accused-of-cowardice-for-refusing-to-debate-existence-of-God.html&usg=AOvVaw3hxlP9LAXkfksb9vgy0uMX

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/re...-for-refusing-to-debate-existence-of-God.html

 

[Marius Dejess]

Okay, dear my opponents here, I challenge you to object in less than 50 words to my contention as follows:

"I exist, therefore God exists in concept as the creator cause of man and the universe and everything with a beginning."

Careful now, do not go timid, otherwise mankind will call you cowards.

In less than 50 words, present your objection to my contention, and may you exercise honest intelligent productive thinking.

 

[IronWing]

Are popsicles made from real pops?