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spacejamz

Lifer
Mar 31, 2003
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Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: ayabe ...

So I think there's still some real disingenuous information being bandied about....even now.

Yup. I gotta call shens. The OP needs to post a link or this thread should be locked.


Text

"We're going to be losing the house. We're going to be losing everything," she said.

Reporter: You think you're going to lose everything?

Garcia: Yeah.

Her message to the president? "Stop the foreclosures."

Reporter: Stop the foreclosures?

Garcia: If people are losing jobs and houses, what are we gonna do?



Reporter: How much was the house when you bought it?

Garcia: $800,000

Reporter: $800,000?

Garcia: But now it's worth like $675,000 on the market
 

TheSlamma

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Sep 6, 2005
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Originally posted by: ayabe
I dunno guys, I was using a mortgage calculator just the other day and it was telling me I could afford a $400,000 house on my salary.

I can guarandamntee you that I can't afford that without my GF's income.

So I think there's still some real disingenuous information being bandied about....even now.
lol, was that just a flat calculator? No mortgage insurance? cause with nothing down kiddo you have to pay mortgage insurance, you also have home owners insurance and property taxes and with more sq footage your energy bills will be higher too.

Also were you counting on being a typical dumb American and your version of "afford the payment" mean that you are left with $17 to spare at the end of the month? or are you gonna be a bad American and be capable of saving a 6 month nest egg anytime soon?
 

spacejamz

Lifer
Mar 31, 2003
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Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Originally posted by: ayabe
I dunno guys, I was using a mortgage calculator just the other day and it was telling me I could afford a $400,000 house on my salary.

I can guarandamntee you that I can't afford that without my GF's income.

So I think there's still some real disingenuous information being bandied about....even now.
lol, was that just a flat calculator? No mortgage insurance? cause with nothing down kiddo you have to pay mortgage insurance, you also have home owners insurance and property taxes and with more sq footage your energy bills will be higher too.

Also were you counting on being a typical dumb American and your version of "afford the payment" mean that you are left with $17 to spare at the end of the month? or are you gonna be a bad American and be capable of saving a 6 month nest egg anytime soon?

ease off the caffeine dude...

go back and re-read his post...he already admits that calculator was BS...
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
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Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Originally posted by: ayabe
I dunno guys, I was using a mortgage calculator just the other day and it was telling me I could afford a $400,000 house on my salary.

I can guarandamntee you that I can't afford that without my GF's income.

So I think there's still some real disingenuous information being bandied about....even now.
lol, was that just a flat calculator? No mortgage insurance? cause with nothing down kiddo you have to pay mortgage insurance, you also have home owners insurance and property taxes and with more sq footage your energy bills will be higher too.

Also were you counting on being a typical dumb American and your version of "afford the payment" mean that you are left with $17 to spare at the end of the month? or are you gonna be a bad American and be capable of saving a 6 month nest egg anytime soon?

ease off the caffeine dude...

go back and re-read his post...he already admits that calculator was BS...
Slamma has been slamin lots of mochas :)

It's ok, I do it, too.

 

TheSlamma

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Sep 6, 2005
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Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Originally posted by: ayabe
I dunno guys, I was using a mortgage calculator just the other day and it was telling me I could afford a $400,000 house on my salary.

I can guarandamntee you that I can't afford that without my GF's income.

So I think there's still some real disingenuous information being bandied about....even now.
lol, was that just a flat calculator? No mortgage insurance? cause with nothing down kiddo you have to pay mortgage insurance, you also have home owners insurance and property taxes and with more sq footage your energy bills will be higher too.

Also were you counting on being a typical dumb American and your version of "afford the payment" mean that you are left with $17 to spare at the end of the month? or are you gonna be a bad American and be capable of saving a 6 month nest egg anytime soon?

ease off the caffeine dude...

go back and re-read his post...he already admits that calculator was BS...
lol, damn... ;)
 

ayabe

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Aug 10, 2005
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Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Originally posted by: ayabe
I dunno guys, I was using a mortgage calculator just the other day and it was telling me I could afford a $400,000 house on my salary.

I can guarandamntee you that I can't afford that without my GF's income.

So I think there's still some real disingenuous information being bandied about....even now.
lol, was that just a flat calculator? No mortgage insurance? cause with nothing down kiddo you have to pay mortgage insurance, you also have home owners insurance and property taxes and with more sq footage your energy bills will be higher too.

Also were you counting on being a typical dumb American and your version of "afford the payment" mean that you are left with $17 to spare at the end of the month? or are you gonna be a bad American and be capable of saving a 6 month nest egg anytime soon?

Eat a dick bitch, I was merely pointing out that people are lured into bad mortgages by these tools that are supposed to help them make smart decisions.

 

Special K

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Jun 18, 2000
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Originally posted by: BigDH01
Now, I'm a politician. It doesn't really matter what I said to get elected as the single greatest determining factor in election campaigns is money spent.

Do you have a source for this? I read a study cited in the book Freakonomics claiming that money was not the most important factor in elections.

 

GTaudiophile

Lifer
Oct 24, 2000
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Originally posted by: spacejamz
Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Originally posted by: ayabe ...

So I think there's still some real disingenuous information being bandied about....even now.

Yup. I gotta call shens. The OP needs to post a link or this thread should be locked.


Text

"We're going to be losing the house. We're going to be losing everything," she said.

Reporter: You think you're going to lose everything?

Garcia: Yeah.

Her message to the president? "Stop the foreclosures."

Reporter: Stop the foreclosures?

Garcia: If people are losing jobs and houses, what are we gonna do?



Reporter: How much was the house when you bought it?

Garcia: $800,000

Reporter: $800,000?

Garcia: But now it's worth like $675,000 on the market

Thanks!
 

BigDH01

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Jul 8, 2005
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Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: BigDH01
Now, I'm a politician. It doesn't really matter what I said to get elected as the single greatest determining factor in election campaigns is money spent.

Do you have a source for this? I read a study cited in the book Freakonomics claiming that money was not the most important factor in elections.

I think there's some debate, but certainly information to go both ways.

Center for Responsive Politics

The problem is proving causation and not correlation (which is the argument in Freakonomics). Not that it matters really, it's quite obvious that the winners are accepting huge sums of money to spend on their campaign and are likely corrupt.

Here's a scientific article discussing the effect of fundraising early in a campaign:

U Texas

Basically, the ability of a candidate to generate funds signals to the political elite that they are a serious candidate and improves their chances of winning.
 

boomerang

Lifer
Jun 19, 2000
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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Ok OK, point taken, both the lender and the the borrower were dumber than boxes of rocks.

From my jaded point of view, since I was not a party to this mutual stupidity, I have to ask why should it effect me?
But it does effect me because this stupidity now requires a massive bail out, its depressed the value of the house I own,
its badly hurt the economy and employment, threatens to throw this country into a depression, so I have to want some sort of solution that will fix the damages.

Somehow merely being selectively outraged over individual stupidities does not change the overall reality that the past cannot be changed. We are in a fine fix now and how do we get out of it is the only question to ask now.
So we turn to our leaders - and where are they and what are they doing about it? The very thing that is the root cause of this mess (from the perspective of the taxpayer) has not been addressed. We do however, have $2,000,000,000 coming ACORN's way.

Talk about fucked up priorities.
 

RKDaley

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Originally posted by: boomerang
We do however, have $2,000,000,000 coming ACORN's way.

Do you have a link to ACORN getting the money you referenced above? I'd like to read about that.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
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Originally posted by: RKDaley
Originally posted by: boomerang
We do however, have $2,000,000,000 coming ACORN's way.

Do you have a link to ACORN getting the money you referenced above? I'd like to read about that.

linky

It doesn't go directly to them, nor are they mentioned in the bill - but anyone with a lick of sense knows that the bunch that wrote this really means ACORN(and related groups) when they use "community organizing activities"

I sure "hope"? we get to see where every single penny of this porkulus bill goes. Likely I'll be disappointed though.
 

marincounty

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Nov 16, 2005
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: RKDaley
Originally posted by: boomerang
We do however, have $2,000,000,000 coming ACORN's way.

Do you have a link to ACORN getting the money you referenced above? I'd like to read about that.

linky

It doesn't go directly to them, nor are they mentioned in the bill - but anyone with a lick of sense knows that the bunch that wrote this really means ACORN(and related groups) when they use "community organizing activities"

I sure "hope"? we get to see where every single penny of this porkulus bill goes. Likely I'll be disappointed though.

And whenever righties mention ACORN, they really mean scary black people.
 

CADsortaGUY

Lifer
Oct 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: RKDaley
Originally posted by: boomerang
We do however, have $2,000,000,000 coming ACORN's way.

Do you have a link to ACORN getting the money you referenced above? I'd like to read about that.

linky

It doesn't go directly to them, nor are they mentioned in the bill - but anyone with a lick of sense knows that the bunch that wrote this really means ACORN(and related groups) when they use "community organizing activities"

I sure "hope"? we get to see where every single penny of this porkulus bill goes. Likely I'll be disappointed though.

And whenever righties mention ACORN, they really mean scary black people.

Or rather a corrupt group who tried to cheat the system with their illegal registrations.
 

OCGuy

Lifer
Jul 12, 2000
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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: RKDaley
Originally posted by: boomerang
We do however, have $2,000,000,000 coming ACORN's way.

Do you have a link to ACORN getting the money you referenced above? I'd like to read about that.

linky

It doesn't go directly to them, nor are they mentioned in the bill - but anyone with a lick of sense knows that the bunch that wrote this really means ACORN(and related groups) when they use "community organizing activities"

I sure "hope"? we get to see where every single penny of this porkulus bill goes. Likely I'll be disappointed though.

And whenever righties mention ACORN, they really mean scary black people.

Or rather a corrupt group who tried to cheat the system with their illegal registrations.


No, no, NO! It is race CAD. Always race. Big whitey is always trying to hold people down!
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: BigDH01
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
People do dumb things every second of every day, so what? You also have to think about the underwriter on the opposite end of that loan. WTF was he thinking/smoking? Huh?

Why did the broker make a poor choice? They are not on the hook when the loan goes sour.

Here are some first-person scenarios for fun:

I'm an aspiring entrepreneur. I just left my steady job working for the man to become a mortgage broker. After a few weeks of classes, etc, I'm ready to go. My pay isn't actually based on the quality of the loans I originate, just the size and quantity. Basically, I reap rewards with no risk. If a maid claims she can pay the 800k mortgage on her salary, who am I to question it? If we have to fudge the app a bit, so be it. It's not like anyone is actually checking those things anyway. I make 3x what I did before and all I have to do is encourage people to buy their American dream while explaining to them how this market will continue forever. Who cares if it does, as long as I get mine?

Meanwhile, investors were buying them while the train was rolling because they were providing good returns and greedy people demanded abnormally high returns. People at the top could likely see what was coming but so what? If I'm a CEO, I take my millions in compensation and stick it in a bank. When (if) I get fired, I'll simply land a CEO position at some other corporation who's board is populated by people I play golf with every other Tuesday. I got mine.

If I'm a large stockholder in one of these banks then I'm either rich enough that it doesn't matter or I'm an institutional holder. If I'm representing an institution (pension fund, etc) then I'm just toying with other people's money. I'm likely making millions myself as I've shown such great returns over the last few years investing in banks buying crappy assets. When I get fired, I'll just land another director position elsewhere as I'm in the same golf party mentioned above. It's nice to decide each other's salaries. I got mine.

Now, I'm a recent buyer. There is real estate mania happening around me and I need to buy another Hummer and earn a 20% return for holding a home in Phoenix for 3 weeks. I'll lie on my application (no one checks it anyway) and get an IO or ARM mortgage for 100% or more of the home's appraised value. If by some miracle, homes can't appreciate 50% a year into eternity, then so what? I've got no skin in the game so I'll just mail the keys to the bank and tell them to have a nice day. I'll take a hit to my credit, so my score will be the same as 50% of the population's now, but I'll either stay in the home I'm in or move into a rental where it doesn't really matter anyway. Hey, can't make money without taking a few risks (again, with other people's money). As long as I get mine.

Now, I'm a politician. It doesn't really matter what I said to get elected as the single greatest determining factor in election campaigns is money spent. It matters how I raised money. Sure, I need to throw the constituents a bone or two every now and then. Maybe I'll pick on CEOs of banks for awhile, but not too much. After all, these people paid for my (re-)election campaign and I play golf with them on Tuesdays. It makes for good TV, but I don't want these people not inviting me to their plush villas for free wine and caviar. Yes, people may be suffering but my salary is guaranteed and when I leave here I'll be given a job at one the of companies that I inevitably vote to bail out. I get mine.

Then there's the rest of us. The suckers. We are renters, we are long term homeowners, we are taxpayers. We don't mingle with the elite as we're too busy working to pay the bills. More importantly, we are divided. We Republicans hate the lazy poor and we Democrats hate the cheating rich. In the end, it doesn't matter. Just like the circuses in Rome, the cheating rich give the lazy poor what they want on purpose. It's to distract us. If the lazy poor were genuinely poor and without TV and entertainment, they might question the position of the cheating rich. So while the elite have the average suckers pointing fingers at each other, they make off with our country and leave us with the bill. I guess we got our's too.

That just makes too much sense. You should probably post it in a different forum.
 

boomerang

Lifer
Jun 19, 2000
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Originally posted by: RKDaley
Originally posted by: boomerang
We do however, have $2,000,000,000 coming ACORN's way.

Do you have a link to ACORN getting the money you referenced above? I'd like to read about that.
Well, others have jumped in, but I can't find where I saw it as a line item of $2B. I am finding links now saying $5.2B, but they are not getting all of that.

http://www.newsmax.com/headlin...2009/01/29/176558.html

Looks like CADsortaGUY's link shows the $2B figure, but like I said, I had originally found it a long breakdown list of where the money was going. Now that Obama has signed the bill, all my searches are coming up different. I sometimes suck at the Googling.

 

boomerang

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Jun 19, 2000
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To everyone question the facts in the OP, do you read the news?

Do you realize that at the height of the depravity lenders were asking for no proof of income? They would ask the applicant what they made and whatever the applicant said, was fine with them. It was on 60 minutes Sunday and I knew of it many months before that.

This is like the thread in Off Topic about the license plates. One after the other chiming in about shit they know nothing about.

Asking to have the thread locked - come on!
 

boomerang

Lifer
Jun 19, 2000
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Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: RKDaley
Originally posted by: boomerang
We do however, have $2,000,000,000 coming ACORN's way.

Do you have a link to ACORN getting the money you referenced above? I'd like to read about that.

linky

It doesn't go directly to them, nor are they mentioned in the bill - but anyone with a lick of sense knows that the bunch that wrote this really means ACORN(and related groups) when they use "community organizing activities"

I sure "hope"? we get to see where every single penny of this porkulus bill goes. Likely I'll be disappointed though.

And whenever righties mention ACORN, they really mean scary black people.
This is typical, play the race card. No meaningful input to the thread, just a one line shit-stirring troll post. Someday your mommy is going to cut off your allowance and the real world is going to bite you right on the ass.
 

Pneumothorax

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Originally posted by: BigDH01


Here are some first-person scenarios for fun:

I'm an aspiring entrepreneur. .....
Then there's the rest of us. The suckers. We are renters, we are long term homeowners, we are taxpayers. We don't mingle with the elite as we're too busy working to pay the bills. More importantly, we are divided. We Republicans hate the lazy poor and we Democrats hate the cheating rich. In the end, it doesn't matter. Just like the circuses in Rome, the cheating rich give the lazy poor what they want on purpose. It's to distract us. If the lazy poor were genuinely poor and without TV and entertainment, they might question the position of the cheating rich. So while the elite have the average suckers pointing fingers at each other, they make off with our country and leave us with the bill. I guess we got our's too..

This should be read out loud to the idiots in my state legislature and in the Capitol building in DC.
 

marincounty

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Originally posted by: boomerang
Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: RKDaley
Originally posted by: boomerang
We do however, have $2,000,000,000 coming ACORN's way.

Do you have a link to ACORN getting the money you referenced above? I'd like to read about that.

linky

It doesn't go directly to them, nor are they mentioned in the bill - but anyone with a lick of sense knows that the bunch that wrote this really means ACORN(and related groups) when they use "community organizing activities"

I sure "hope"? we get to see where every single penny of this porkulus bill goes. Likely I'll be disappointed though.

And whenever righties mention ACORN, they really mean scary black people.
This is typical, play the race card. No meaningful input to the thread, just a one line shit-stirring troll post. Someday your mommy is going to cut off your allowance and the real world is going to bite you right on the ass.

Righties are the ones playing the race card with Acorn. Republicans are always trying to disenfranchise voters, Democrats are trying to sign them up. Nothing new here.
Your post is worthless, merely a personal attack.

And my mommy loves me, and would never cut off my allowance.