What has Bush accomplished, really?

shira

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Terrorism?

What has Bush accomplished, really? Clinton had a MUCH better record of "protecting" America (after the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, there wasn't another terrorist act in the US until 2001 -- 8 years of "safety" versus Bush's 3 1/2). And Bush propelled us into a war we all wish we'd never begun (if you could snap your fingers and magically transform Iraq into its pre- March, 2003 self, would you REALLY choose the situation today?) There have been numerous reports on the Taliban's remarkable recovery since our invasion of Afghanistan. Worldwide, the number of terrorist acts has increased sharply since 9/11. So really, what has Bush actually accomplished.


The economy?

Worst deficits in history. All of the major markets are at or below where they were when Bush came into office. Bush has the worst record of job growth since World War II.


The environment?

After years of steady improvement, the nation's water and air pollution now are getting worse under Bush's tenure, according to the government's own data. Hundreds of environmental laws have been re-crafted to loosen restrictions on business vis-a-vis the environment.


"Values?"

Please explain how in any pratical sense Bush has improved values in the U.S. If anything, the discourse is much more polarized and people are far less respectful of each other's views. We don't have dialog any longer, we have verbal warfare. If you look back at past presidencies, you don't see anything remotely like the venom we see today.


Please, please, name SOMETHING we can all agree Bush has done well.




 

sandorski

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When Clinton left office, Talk Show hosts and Comedians saw it as a sad day, where would they get their Material? George Walker Bush has saved the day!
 

Infohawk

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He's taught the world how fragile peace and democracy are and how quickly an advanced civilization could degenerate.

I really used to not think 1984 was that important of a book. Yeah, it was entertaining, but I didn't think there were any important lessons. The chimp made me figure it out.
 

1EZduzit

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I guess he got rid of Saddam, even if it wasn't worth the cost and created an even worse mess, I guess that could be considered a good thing.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
He's made a lot of people whine and cry about any little thing. It's pretty entertaining.

Yeah, like all the people with their arms and legs blown off.
 

Red Dawn

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Due to Bush becoming President there have been a lot more people maimed and killed and who habe lost loved ones. His rise to power has been devastating to a lot of innocent people.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
He's made a lot of people whine and cry about any little thing. It's pretty entertaining.

You must like Bill Clinton too then.
 

Genx87

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What has Bush accomplished, really? Clinton had a MUCH better record of "protecting" America (after the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, there wasn't another terrorist act in the US until 2001 -- 8 years of "safety" versus Bush's 3 1/2). And Bush propelled us into a war we all wish we'd never begun (if you could snap your fingers and magically transform Iraq into its pre- March, 2003 self, would you REALLY choose the situation today?) There have been numerous reports on the Taliban's remarkable recovery since our invasion of Afghanistan. Worldwide, the number of terrorist acts has increased sharply since 9/11. So really, what has Bush actually accomplished.

WTC - 1993
Africa Embassy Bombings
Kholbar Towers
Oklahoma City
Plans for 9-11 were laid starting in 1997 under his term.

Clinton did squat to answer any of these. He tried to label groups he disagreed with at home as outlaws due to Oklahoma City, typical scapegoating.

Read the 9-11 commish report and watch the incompetence of his administration the people below him. I cant blame him fully for any of it as he had some real pieces of work below him.

Worst deficits in history. All of the major markets are at or below where they were when Bush came into office. Bush has the worst record of job growth since World War II.

You are confusing deficit budget spending on the part of the federal govt and economy.

Here is the information from 2001-2004 for Bush in terms of gdp growth.

01-.8%
02-1.9%
03- 3.0%
04- 4.4%

Clintons

93-2.7
94-4.0
95-2.5
96-3.7

93 and 01 were largely out of both presidents hand in terms of what they could do.

The economy as a whole has been pretty resiliant considering what happened in 01. The beginning of the recession and 9-11.

The job growth is a worthless argument because Bush inherited an unrealistic job market. We were basically at full employment and you get do much better than that.

After years of steady improvement, the nation's water and air pollution now are getting worse under Bush's tenure, according to the government's own data. Hundreds of environmental laws have been re-crafted to loosen restrictions on business vis-a-vis the environment.

Either you want a pristine enviornment with job loss or a less pristine envrionment and a better job creation atmosphere.

If you dont like it move to Mexico where every factory dumps their waste right into the river.

Please explain how in any pratical sense Bush has improved values in the U.S. If anything, the discourse is much more polarized and people are far less respectful of each other's views. We don't have dialog any longer, we have verbal warfare. If you look back at past presidencies, you don't see anything remotely like the venom we see today.

The polarization of America has more to do with the fanatical left in this country.

Bush tries to reach across the aisle for SS reform and all he gets in a big fat "No"? This has been the SOP for the left since the day he took office.

If people arent willing to do anything then there is only so much you can do.

The left cant stand the fact he has beat them twice and will stop at nothing to keep him from doing anything. Lets not act like this is all on Bush's shoulders.

 
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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
He's made a lot of people whine and cry about any little thing. It's pretty entertaining.

You must like Bill Clinton too then.

I like Bill Clinton, but I don't like George W. Bush. That's just one thing that Bush has accomplished, but it seems that the same effect would be true for extremists on either side of the spectrum under any presidency.
 
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
He's made a lot of people whine and cry about any little thing. It's pretty entertaining.

Yeah, like all the people with their arms and legs blown off.

You must be pretty deranged if you think having your arms and legs blown off is a 'little thing'.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
He's made a lot of people whine and cry about any little thing. It's pretty entertaining.

Yeah, like all the people with their arms and legs blown off.

You must be pretty deranged if you think having your arms and legs blown off is a 'little thing'.

Perhaps I misunderstood you. I thought since you said "any" that you were including all the things people were whining about.
 

artikk

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Originally posted by: shira
Terrorism?

What has Bush accomplished, really? Clinton had a MUCH better record of "protecting" America (after the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, there wasn't another terrorist act in the US until 2001 -- 8 years of "safety" versus Bush's 3 1/2)..............
So because there wasn't another terrorist act in the US after the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, that makes Clinton's policy on terrorism better/more effective than Bush's? I fail to see the logic here. :confused: Ex: Just because I can't see radio waves, they're not there or are not anymore.)Just because there wasn't a terrorist act during Clinton's final years in office, doesn't mean that terrorists didn't want to bomb America anymore or that the terrorist threat was prevented.
 
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
He's made a lot of people whine and cry about any little thing. It's pretty entertaining.

Yeah, like all the people with their arms and legs blown off.

You must be pretty deranged if you think having your arms and legs blown off is a 'little thing'.

Perhaps I misunderstood you. I thought since you said "any" that you were including all the things people were whining about.

'Any little thing'
 

CanOWorms

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Not sure if you can say that Bush personally accomplished it, but the government under him provided full relocation of an entire persecuted ethnic minority group in Russia to the US. I'm impressed by that.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Not sure if you can say that Bush personally accomplished it, but the government under him provided full relocation of an entire persecuted ethnic minority group in Russia to the US. I'm impressed by that.

And which ethnic group was that?
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
He's made a lot of people whine and cry about any little thing. It's pretty entertaining.

Yeah, like all the people with their arms and legs blown off.

You must be pretty deranged if you think having your arms and legs blown off is a 'little thing'.

Perhaps I misunderstood you. I thought since you said "any" that you were including all the things people were whining about.

'Any little thing'

Me bad. In my own defense though I would like to say that no more coverage the press has given to the maimed, it could be construed as a "little thing". The only report I can remember seeing of the maimed is of a soilder who lost his leg wanting to go back and fight in Iraq.

 

tommywishbone

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He has accomplished several things:

1) the street price for Afganny heroin is down by 30%.
2) you can buy a used 45K SUV for 12k, due to gas prices.
3) prison guards are learning valuable torture skills they can pass on to their children.
4) america's prison population is fast approaching 3 million.
5) fear & paranoia is at an all-time high.
6) the police in Jerkwater, Alabama now have a VX nerve gas & sonic ion detection machine. (whatever the hell that is)