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What happens to black people even when they comply with police

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Jaskalas said:
TL;DR

America is far too lawless and violent right now.
And I am talking about everyone. From the police to the rioting to the militias.
What we need is good trouble, but who can find that amidst all the beatings, burning, looting, and shooting?
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Quit with the f'in' all sides bullshit. This is a clear example of violent, criminal conduct by multiple police officers attacking a black man complying with their direction.
 
This happened weeks ago. Just getting investigated now.
Jaskalas said:
TL;DR

America is far too lawless and violent right now.
And I am talking about everyone. From the police to the rioting to the militias.
What we need is good trouble, but who can find that amidst all the beatings, burning, looting, and shooting?
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TL;DR:

Fuck off
 
In Kenosha black people (mainly) yell at the cops that a white guy just killed someone. They are not believed.

Meanwhile in GA 2 white guys chase down and lynch a black man because they said he did "something". All of a sudden a cadre of people automatically believe the white guys.

We lose in either direction.
 
HomerJS said:
In Kenosha black people (mainly) yell at the cops that a white guy just killed someone. They are not believed.

Meanwhile in GA 2 white guys chase down and lynch a black man because they said he did "something". All of a sudden a cadre of people automatically believe the white guys.

We lose in either direction.
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That is a damning juxtaposition 😱:coldsweat:
 
SMOGZINN said:
What is your suggestion? It is easy to complain, but I have not heard a single solution from you.
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Solution? Are riots and violence your solution?

Protests and civil disobedience are not riots. Stop the riots, stop the violence, and then act to make our voices heard. My solution is good trouble combined with rebranding #BLM to encompass all abuse by police. Do not make it about 12% of the population, make it shared and unite a larger portion of the population to take action. Everyone suffers from the violence.

The tough part is targeting the Second Amendment, because ultimately that is responsible for the police's "kill or be killed" attitude on the streets, and during home invasions. But failing that, I would target tactical reforms that put them less in harms way - so they are less prone to open fire first and ask questions later. Take advantage of robots and cover to give people a chance to recognize the police and surrender peacefully.

And home invasions need to be stopped. With their objective being met by another means.
 
Jaskalas said:
Solution? Are riots and violence your solution?

Protests and civil disobedience are not riots. Stop the riots, stop the violence, and then act to make our voices heard. My solution is good trouble combined with rebranding #BLM to encompass all abuse by police. Do not make it about 12% of the population, make it shared and unite a larger portion of the population to take action. Everyone suffers from the violence.

The tough part is targeting the Second Amendment, because ultimately that is responsible for the police's "kill or be killed" attitude on the streets, and during home invasions. But failing that, I would target tactical reforms that put them less in harms way - so they are less prone to open fire first and ask questions later. Take advantage of robots and cover to give people a chance to recognize the police and surrender peacefully.

And home invasions need to be stopped. With their objective being met by another means.
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systemic racism is a problem in the United States in all facets of our society, government, legal and healthcare systems. ignoring it will not help solve anything.
 
Jaskalas said:
Solution? Are riots and violence your solution?

Protests and civil disobedience are not riots. Stop the riots, stop the violence, and then act to make our voices heard. My solution is good trouble combined with rebranding #BLM to encompass all abuse by police. Do not make it about 12% of the population, make it shared and unite a larger portion of the population to take action. Everyone suffers from the violence.

The tough part is targeting the Second Amendment, because ultimately that is responsible for the police's "kill or be killed" attitude on the streets, and during home invasions. But failing that, I would target tactical reforms that put them less in harms way - so they are less prone to open fire first and ask questions later. Take advantage of robots and cover to give people a chance to recognize the police and surrender peacefully.

And home invasions need to be stopped. With their objective being met by another means.
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If police abuse was #bothsides you would have a point. Imagine 17 year old Rittenhouse was able to murder 2 people and walk right by cops with his loaded weapon. Meanwhile 12 year old Tamir Rice playing with a toy gun in an open carry state is rolled up on by the cops and killed in 2 seconds. In one case police were told a crime has just been committed. The second a 911 call said someone was carrying a gun in public. In both cases an open carry state.
 
Jaskalas said:
Solution? Are riots and violence your solution?
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No, they are a side effect. The riots and violence follows civil unrest.

Protests and civil disobedience are not riots. Stop the riots, stop the violence, and then act to make our voices heard.
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Sure, while we are at it lets stop all crime and end hunger. As has been pointed out again and again the violence and riots are not the protests, they are a small group of people taking advantage of the protests. Some are being done to intentionally stop the protests. It seems it has become really easy to undermine protests, just cause a little chaos and suddenly whatever the people are protesting about is invalid.

My solution is good trouble combined with rebranding #BLM to encompass all abuse by police. Do not make it about 12% of the population, make it shared and unite a larger portion of the population to take action. Everyone suffers from the violence.
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Ah, of course. You can't care about it because it is not about you. While we are at it why do we raise awareness of breast cancer? Certainly we should be raising awareness of all cancer! Heck, why limit ourselves to cancer? All sickness matters! We should just have a general 'don't get sick awareness month!'

If you want to address all police abuse get out there and start such a movement, then BLM can take up common cause with your movement. But BLM is about a specific problem, one that needs to be addressed separately from the problem of the more general problem of police abusing their power. I promise you BLM is not against stopping abuse of all people, and could find common cause with such a movement, but it is a specific grievance, and it seems that a lot of people agree that it should be addressed.

The rest of what you say I completely agree with. We do need to address the problems of police abusing their power, of police escalating confrontations, to police resorting to violence as their first and only method. And our society needs to address it, but it does not look like enough people are interested in that conversation right now.
 
HomerJS said:
Let's summarize if like in Wisconsin black people walk away from cops we are shot or beaten. If we comply fully we get shot or beaten. Is there anyway we can get some treatment like our lives matter??
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Talk to your brethren who fight with police on a daily basis and make their jobs difficult... If they treated police like white people do, chances are they will be treated like white people too... But instead you get a constant fighting, running, attitudes, etc etc etc... So think about that before you complain about the way these innocent folks are treated...

This is what police officers deal with CONSTANTLY.

Woman attacks Long Beach Police Officer in the middle of intersection - YouTube
 
Juiblex said:
Talk to your brethren who fight with police on a daily basis and make their jobs difficult... If they treated police like white people do, chances are they will be treated like white people too... But instead you get a constant fighting, running, attitudes, etc etc etc... So think about that before you complain about the way these innocent folks are treated...

This is what police officers deal with CONSTANTLY.

Woman attacks Long Beach Police Officer in the middle of intersection - YouTube
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I agree with you to a certain extent (treat others how you want to be treated), but there is a reason why black people have a distrustful and strained relationship with police.
 
Juiblex said:
Talk to your brethren who fight with police on a daily basis and make their jobs difficult... If they treated police like white people do, chances are they will be treated like white people too... But instead you get a constant fighting, running, attitudes, etc etc etc... So think about that before you complain about the way these innocent folks are treated...

This is what police officers deal with CONSTANTLY.

Woman attacks Long Beach Police Officer in the middle of intersection - YouTube
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What do you think came first, agents of the state killing and beating black people, or black people being mean to them and having a bad attitude?
 
Juiblex said:
Talk to your brethren who fight with police on a daily basis and make their jobs difficult... If they treated police like white people do, chances are they will be treated like white people too... But instead you get a constant fighting, running, attitudes, etc etc etc... So think about that before you complain about the way these innocent folks are treated...

This is what police officers deal with CONSTANTLY.

Woman attacks Long Beach Police Officer in the middle of intersection - YouTube
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What, and I mean this most sincerely, the actual fuck?

White people never attack police? You seriously believe this?

 
Juiblex said:
Talk to your brethren who fight with police on a daily basis and make their jobs difficult... If they treated police like white people do, chances are they will be treated like white people too... But instead you get a constant fighting, running, attitudes, etc etc etc... So think about that before you complain about the way these innocent folks are treated...

This is what police officers deal with CONSTANTLY.

Woman attacks Long Beach Police Officer in the middle of intersection - YouTube
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So it's ok for police to gun down unarmed black people because black people are mean to cops? Conservatives are fucking insane nowadays, running from the cops is not a capital offense but right wingers act like it justifies shooting them. Complaining about their attitude towards cops is even worse, maybe cops should grow a fucking pair and deal with it like people in the service industry have to.
 
Our grandkids are mixed race. We live in a tiny town on the WA coast. Our youngest (18 y.o.) works in the town's newest pizza joint, so often gets off work after 10 pm. He's been stopped and (mildly) hassled by the local cops twice so far...even though, all he was doing was walking or bicycling home from work.
i told him, "well, dammit, just stop being black, maybe they'll leave you alone!" 🙄
 
Juiblex said:
Talk to your brethren who fight with police on a daily basis and make their jobs difficult... If they treated police like white people do, chances are they will be treated like white people too... But instead you get a constant fighting, running, attitudes, etc etc etc... So think about that before you complain about the way these innocent folks are treated...

This is what police officers deal with CONSTANTLY.

Woman attacks Long Beach Police Officer in the middle of intersection - YouTube
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God damn dude. You actually typed this shit out. Read it again. Found nothing wrong with it. Posted it.
 
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