What happened to the p4 ee?
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Yea, it's a paper launched product. It's "introduced" but you really won't be able to buy any. It does look like they wanted to steal some thunder from the A64/FX launch.
I heard they're also planning on having this "lead the way" for their 1MB cache P4c's.
I heard they're also planning on having this "lead the way" for their 1MB cache P4c's.
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yeah i have no idea why i called it a card. But if it is not coming out yet or even soon what was the whole point of all those reviews of fx vs the ee? The whole thing seems kind of shady on intels part.
And it seems that since the ee is not out that amd is clearly the preformance leader at the moment. They have both the budget and the high end covered with solid preforming chips, pretty impressive.
It was a dirty business move by Intel. This chip was never meant for the consumer like the A64 is.
Should be a rule like in Trans-Am racing in the 60's, gotta make X number of a model for sale to the public before it's allowed on the track (or testbench in this case) Until there are 50,000 P4EE's on store shelves it doesn't count, imo
And no sites should be benchmarking it side by side with the A64 or anything else until then
And no sites should be benchmarking it side by side with the A64 or anything else until then
Originally posted by: McCarthy
Should be a rule like in Trans-Am racing in the 60's, gotta make X number of a model for sale to the public before it's allowed on the track (or testbench in this case) Until there are 50,000 P4EE's on store shelves it doesn't count, imo
And no sites should be benchmarking it side by side with the A64 or anything else until then
Are there 50,000 AFXs in the stores? The P4EE is just like the AFX, a server-type chip that's hastily pressed into desktop service for benchmarketing purposes. The only difference is AMD started first and had a few extra months to stockpile a few tens of thousands of FXs.
And Pentium4-EE = 2MB L3 Cache XeonMP's. They've been around for about 2 years.
The questions is not whether there is a supply. The real question is validation. Theres no doubt the P4-EE was pulled at the last minute by some genius up at marketting. Since validation time is constant for everything, thats the real time cruncher.
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Originally posted by: Accord99
Originally posted by: McCarthy
Should be a rule like in Trans-Am racing in the 60's, gotta make X number of a model for sale to the public before it's allowed on the track (or testbench in this case) Until there are 50,000 P4EE's on store shelves it doesn't count, imo
And no sites should be benchmarking it side by side with the A64 or anything else until then
Are there 50,000 AFXs in the stores? The P4EE is just like the AFX, a server-type chip that's hastily pressed into desktop service for benchmarketing purposes. The only difference is AMD started first and had a few extra months to stockpile a few tens of thousands of FXs.
But you can buy them lots of places. Price watch has a bunch of stores selling them. As far as i can tell no store is selling the p4ee or is even planning too.
Yes, AMD was able to stockpile a small number of FXs. With its high platform price, short life-span, its easy to keep it in stock when nobody will buy them. The P4 EE is a reaction to the FX, so its not suprising it will arrive after.
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A paper launched product is a product a company says is now available and you cannot buy one. Intel has never said the P4EE is available. Ok it is a subtle difference in terminology, but it is an important difference. A person may be fooled into thinking the product is available in the first case where in the second case no one should be fooled when the company says it isn't yet available.
Intel hasn't even officially launched it. So in truth it isn't paper launched (yet). All Intel has done now is announce that it will be coming in the future and let a few places test it. It will be paper launched later this year. And maybe a handfull of chips will be sold through OEMs in December.
The P4EE and the Athlon FX were both meant more for media coverage than anything else. The P4EE was meant to make the Athlon 64 look bad but it wasn't meant to be sold. The Athlon FX was meant to make the Athlon 64 look good but it wasn't meant to be sold (no retail versions exist and AMD only has made 10,000 of them). Basically for now, forget that either were ever mentioned and get yourself a nice Athlon 64.
Intel hasn't even officially launched it. So in truth it isn't paper launched (yet). All Intel has done now is announce that it will be coming in the future and let a few places test it. It will be paper launched later this year. And maybe a handfull of chips will be sold through OEMs in December.
The P4EE and the Athlon FX were both meant more for media coverage than anything else. The P4EE was meant to make the Athlon 64 look bad but it wasn't meant to be sold. The Athlon FX was meant to make the Athlon 64 look good but it wasn't meant to be sold (no retail versions exist and AMD only has made 10,000 of them). Basically for now, forget that either were ever mentioned and get yourself a nice Athlon 64.
WTF. Get your facts straight.
The P4EE isnt positioned against the A64. Its positioned against the A64 FX51. And there arent a whole lot of A64 FXs out there, they are in very limited supply. Just so happens no one is buying them because
1. There will be a socket change in Q1 04
2. It uses registered ECC memory
Both the A64 FX and P4EE are niche market items.
People can say Intel paper launched all they want, atleast Intel has their platform for the P4EE figured out already AMD does not.
Not quite. The P4-EE is a different socket than the XeonMP, so some modifications to the package had to be made which will take some time. As far as we know, the FX is the exact same CPU as the Opteron 1xx with a less stringent validation process. I thought Intel said the EE would not be available until November in their initial announcement. If that was the case, why are we wondering where it is in October?
That is exactly the case. Intel plans on a launch in November. Therefore, looking for this CPU to be available now is a waste of time and effort.
The P4EE is targeted at gamers (according to Intel), so it is in fact, a niche market, so there will be a limited number of these in the first place. However, the gamer market is also, generally speaking, the market segment that makes the greatest amount of money for computer industries, as they are more likely to continually upgrade to be on the "bleeding edge". More likely than not, you won't see this CPU widely available. First, it will be in OEM systems, then it will be available for "enthusiasts" and other end-users. That part is just my guess, but it seems solid.
\Dan
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