What happened to the "gloomy" headlines?

GTaudiophile

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It seems to me that every day leading up to last November's election, the headlines got gloomier and gloomier. Now that BHO is in da House, I get the impression that headlines are getting rosier and rosier. Heck, everyone is predicting the economy will recover this year!

But at what expense do we have to pay for the good headlines?

Gov't borrows 46 cents for every dollar spent...

I love good headlines like this to jolt people back into reality!

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The government will have to borrow nearly 50 cents for every dollar it spends this year, exploding the record federal deficit past $1.8 trillion under new White House estimates.

Budget office figures released Monday would add $89 billion to the 2009 red ink -- increasing it to more than four times last year's all-time high as the government hands out billions more than expected for people who have lost jobs and takes in less tax revenue from people and companies making less money.

The unprecedented deficit figures flow from the deep recession, the Wall Street bailout and the cost of President Barack Obama's economic stimulus bill -- as well as a seemingly embedded structural imbalance between what the government spends and what it takes in.

As the economy performs worse than expected, the deficit for the 2010 budget year beginning in October will worsen by $87 billion to $1.3 trillion, the White House says. The deterioration reflects lower tax revenues and higher costs for bank failures, unemployment benefits and food stamps.

Just a few days ago, Obama touted an administration plan to cut $17 billion in wasteful or duplicative programs from the budget next year. The erosion in the deficit announced Monday is five times the size of those savings.

For the current year, the government would borrow 46 cents for every dollar it takes to run the government under the administration's plan. In 2010, it would borrow 35 cents for every dollar spent.

"The deficits ... are driven in large part by the economic crisis inherited by this administration," budget director Peter Orszag wrote in a blog entry on Monday.

The developments come as the White House completes the official release of its $3.6 trillion budget for 2010, adding detail to some of its tax proposals and ideas for producing health care savings. The White House budget is a recommendation to Congress that represents Obama's fiscal and policy vision for the next decade.

Annual deficits would never dip below $500 billion and would total $7.1 trillion over 2010-2019. Even those dismal figures rely on economic projections that are significantly more optimistic -- just a 1.2 percent decline in gross domestic product this year and a 3.2 percent growth rate for 2010 -- than those of private sector economists and the Congressional Budget Office.

As a percentage of the economy, the measure economists say is most important, the deficit would be 12.9 percent of GDP this year, the biggest since World War II. It would drop to 8.5 percent of GDP in 2010.

In the past three decades, deficits in the range of 4 percent of GDP have caused Congress and previous administrations to launch efforts to narrow the gap. The White House predicts deficits equaling 2.9 percent of the economy within four years.

Polling data suggest Americans are increasingly worried about mounting deficits and debt.

An AP-GfK poll last month gave Obama relatively poor grades on the deficit, with just 49 percent of respondents approving of the president's handling of the issue and 41 percent disapproving. By contrast, Obama's overall approval rating was 64 percent, with just 30 percent disapproving.

"Even using their February economic assumptions -- which now appear to be out of date and overly optimistic -- the administration never puts us on a stable path," said Marc Goldwein of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a bipartisan group that advocates budget discipline. "The president ... understands the critical importance of fiscal discipline. Now we need to see some action."

For the most part, Obama's updated budget tracks the 134-page outline he submitted to lawmakers in February. His budget remains a bold but contentious document that proposes higher taxes for the wealthy, a hotly contested effort to combat global warming and the first steps toward guaranteed health care for all.

Meanwhile, the congressional budget plan approved last month would not extend Obama's signature $400 tax credit for most workers -- $800 for couples -- after it expires at the end of next year.

Obama's "cap-and-trade" proposal to curb heat-trapping greenhouse gas emissions is also reeling from opposition from Democrats from coal-producing regions and states with concentrations of heavy industry. Under cap-and-trade, the government would auction permits to emit heat-trapping gases, with the costs being passed on to consumers via higher gasoline and electric bills.

Also new in Obama's budget details are several tax "loophole" closures and increased IRS tax compliance efforts to raise $58 billion over the next decade to help finance his health care measure. The money would make up for revenue losses stemming from lower-than-hoped estimates for his proposal to limit wealthier people's ability to maximize their itemized deductions.


Change we can believe in!
 

sactoking

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Cue the conservatives screaming "Tax and Spend!" and the liberals screaming "We're just fixing Bush's mistakes!" in 5...
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GTaudiophile

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The WWII deficit comparison scares me the most when you think about how fast this country was moving/developing back then as a whole to fight two massive wars on two different fronts...and we can't get our act together to do anything these days.
 

PokerGuy

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People just don't want to face up to the fact that somehow we have to pay for this stuff. Big-government-spending fans (dems and repubs alike) are like college students getting credit cards. They spend until they hit the limit, then just figure to get more credit cards to roll over balances and continue spending. Then they think "I'll just get an extra job later to pay the bills". The result of that bahavior is both predictable and inevitable: at some point there has to be a major shock to "fix" it, and it's going to be painful.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
It seems to me that every day leading up to last November's election, the headlines got gloomier and gloomier. Now that BHO is in da House, I get the impression that headlines are getting rosier and rosier.

People are certainly more optimistic. You can argue whether the media is causing the optimism or simply reflecting it, that's a very old debate.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111...aily-State-Nation.aspx
http://www.gallup.com/poll/107...nsumer-Confidence.aspx
 

MotF Bane

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It seems to me that every day leading up to last November's election, the headlines got gloomier and gloomier. Now that BHO is in da House, I get the impression that headlines are getting rosier and rosier. Heck, everyone is predicting the economy will recover this year!

:laugh:
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: PokerGuy
People just don't want to face up to the fact that somehow we have to pay for this stuff. Big-government-spending fans (dems and repubs alike) are like college students getting credit cards. They spend until they hit the limit, then just figure to get more credit cards to roll over balances and continue spending. Then they think "I'll just get an extra job later to pay the bills". The result of that bahavior is both predictable and inevitable: at some point there has to be a major shock to "fix" it, and it's going to be painful.

No we don't. In the end when the US can't service the debt we will just default on the debt and/or re-do the currency (i.e. inflate it) and basically screw over US Treasury holders in the process along with people holding cash.

And then government will no longer have a credit card to use and will be forced to balance the budget. I can't wait for that day.
 

Pneumothorax

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
raise taxes now

Yeah to what level? If we're spending $1 for every 50 cents that comes in, sounds like doubling taxes are in order... So let's see, I paid about 35% of my income into taxes last year, can't wait to pay 70%! Let's not even mention what taxes we'll need to fully fund SS when all the boomers want their SS checks.
 

frostedflakes

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
raise taxes now

For once we agree, we need a coup de grâce to finish off public support for big spenders.
I've been saying this for a while, but Republicans should be begging the Democrats to raise taxes. Everybody wants all these government programs but they don't want to pay for them. If politicians made voters pay for all the crap they want, the public might start to reconsider whether they need all these government programs that are so easy to support when they're being paid for by future generations. Americans need a reality check (via higher taxes across the board, not just for the rich).
 

seemingly random

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
It seems to me that every day leading up to last November's election, the headlines got gloomier and gloomier. Now that BHO is in da House, I get the impression that headlines are getting rosier and rosier. ...
This shouldn't be hard to understand. The promise of better times without repugs gives people a new outlook.

Would you be whining if mccain had been elected? or is just a democrat that you don't like.
 

quest55720

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Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
It seems to me that every day leading up to last November's election, the headlines got gloomier and gloomier. Now that BHO is in da House, I get the impression that headlines are getting rosier and rosier. ...
This shouldn't be hard to understand. The promise of better times without repugs gives people a new outlook.

Would you be whining if mccain had been elected? or is just a democrat that you don't like.

If McCain was elected we would have beautifull gridlock. We could knock off a trillion or more of next years deficit if we had gridlock.


It is time this government gets spending under control. I am sorry but spending 2x as much as you take in is beyond insane even for this government. It will be a bitter sweet day when the bill comes due for all the wasteful spending of the last 9 years of bush and obama.
 

seemingly random

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Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
It seems to me that every day leading up to last November's election, the headlines got gloomier and gloomier. Now that BHO is in da House, I get the impression that headlines are getting rosier and rosier. ...
This shouldn't be hard to understand. The promise of better times without repugs gives people a new outlook.

Would you be whining if mccain had been elected? or is just a democrat that you don't like.

If McCain was elected we would have beautifull gridlock. We could knock off a trillion or more of next years deficit if we had gridlock.


It is time this government gets spending under control. I am sorry but spending 2x as much as you take in is beyond insane even for this government. It will be a bitter sweet day when the bill comes due for all the wasteful spending of the last 9 years of bush and obama.
There is no doubt spending is out of control and has been for decades (centuries?). I don't know enough about economics on a country/world level to have a firm opinion about what is the best tack. I do believe we've been bent over for years and that this will continue to happen.

It seems that when a new group cleans up a mess, they stay and end up creating a new mess (thieving more). I hope we're not in for a repeat this time.

I guess the reason I posted in this thread is the op's clear bias against obama. He might end up being right but there clearly hasn't been enough time to judge obama's effectiveness. This makes the op a partisan hack simpleton.
 

Jiggz

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
raise taxes now

Believe it or not but this is actually the only way to stop the out of control spending, albeit it'll have to be a little bit more than 3 years from now!
 

DealMonkey

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So the gloomy headlines were "bad," prior to November, but now the positive headlines are "bad" too? Which is it, dude?
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
We certainly don't hear about the #'s of deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan anymore..

With your head up your own ass, you probably don't hear much of anything, really.
 

iGas

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Economist sees signs strong rebound taking root

"The White House said Monday it now expects the U.S. economy to expand by an annualized 3.5% in the fourth quarter of this year, a figure which is almost double the median expectation of U.S. economists. It said this pace of growth would continue throughout 2010."