What happened to nationalism in this country?

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: RichardE
No, your dreams of a decent into an anarchist society is :laugh: Your illusion and mal-informed opinions on human nature is also a dream, not to mention your ideals that you hold so dearly.

If people had a natural ability to roll over and die we would be speaking German or Russian at the moment. Go back to your pipe, I think I hear it calling you.

So what would be your prescription when the government and or economy goes belly up? Just reinstate a new government?

A question above my paygrade and knowledge at the momment and too complex to obviously answer in a short blurb on a web forum. Though I do know that is a better answer than a anarchist flag waving babble that offers no solution at all but just a prayer that there anarchist utopia will be born one day.

As I said, go back to your pipe.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: RichardE

A question above my paygrade and knowledge at the momment and too complex to obviously answer in a short blurb on a web forum.

Ok, so you have no answer and it is over your head.

Though I do know that is a better answer than a anarchist flag waving babble that offers no solution at all but just a prayer that there anarchist utopia will be born one day.

As I said, go back to your pipe.

You have no answer and it is over your head and yet you denigrate and smear those who do have answers. It is clear that your outlook is totally biased and completely irrational. A common phrase for this is being close minded. I on the other hand have had discussions with everyone from technocrats to anarcho-communists to mutualists to Republicans, Democrats, socialists and everything else in between. Never told any of them to 'go back to their pipe.'


I'm not waving any flag, that would be you and your nationalist buddies.

A question for you: if you have no idea what to do when the government collapses, how do you know what ought to be done now? If you don't know what is to be done in that situation then clearly you are not qualified to have any opinions about the current state of affairs.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: RichardE

A question above my paygrade and knowledge at the momment and too complex to obviously answer in a short blurb on a web forum.

Ok, so you have no answer and it is over your head.

Though I do know that is a better answer than a anarchist flag waving babble that offers no solution at all but just a prayer that there anarchist utopia will be born one day.

As I said, go back to your pipe.

You have no answer and it is over your head and yet you denigrate and smear those who do have answers. It is clear that your outlook is totally biased and completely irrational. A common phrase for this is being close minded. I on the other hand have had discussions with everyone from technocrats to anarcho-communists to mutualists to Republicans, Democrats, socialists and everything else in between. Never told any of them to 'go back to their pipe.'


I'm not waving any flag, that would be you and your nationalist buddies.

A question for you: if you have no idea what to do when the government collapses, how do you know what ought to be done now? If you don't know what is to be done in that situation then clearly you are not qualified to have any opinions about the current state of affairs.

I see no plan from you either besides sitting back and enjoying it. Seems we are in the same boat.

Your discussions merely consist of stating your opinion and ignoring any questions which you do not have some pre-researched response for. All you do is preach about doom and the apathy of a nation which is contradicting exactly what is happening. At least the actual individuals I know who support a pure capitalism, or anarchist type of view actually have responses or ideologies that answer questions posed to them, you just have a wiki article and prophetic verses, your like Dave, on the other side of the spectrum.

So yeah, go back to your pipe.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: TallBill
Nationalism is a disease. It is a division into us and them whereas, in fact, there is only one humanity. We are all the same and our nation is the planet. Be proud of that or you will wind up killing somebody because they wear a different color shoe.

The Democrats, especially, love to evoke this disease, to pretend they are the real Americans. But they are only dirt bags because they make that attempt. We are all great Americans by virtue of being world citizens. Pride is the hidden face of self hate.

Don't lie. When you think of patriotism, America, love it or leave it, flag waving, and all the external and superficial expressions of patriotism I will bet you that only a small number of folk attempting to be disagreeable would say what you just said. No, the party of this rah rah rah, huddle in the trees and throw sticks at the neighboring tribe of baboons, is primate preening is definitely Republican. You guys definitely lead in the race to the bottom.

I'm not a Republican I don't need to prove my nationalism to anyone.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: TallBill
Nationalism is a disease. It is a division into us and them whereas, in fact, there is only one humanity. We are all the same and our nation is the planet. Be proud of that or you will wind up killing somebody because they wear a different color shoe.

The Democrats, especially, love to evoke this disease, to pretend they are the real Americans. But they are only dirt bags because they make that attempt. We are all great Americans by virtue of being world citizens. Pride is the hidden face of self hate.

Don't lie. When you think of patriotism, America, love it or leave it, flag waving, and all the external and superficial expressions of patriotism I will bet you that only a small number of folk attempting to be disagreeable would say what you just said. No, the party of this rah rah rah, huddle in the trees and throw sticks at the neighboring tribe of baboons, is primate preening is definitely Republican. You guys definitely lead in the race to the bottom.

I'm not a Republican I don't need to prove my nationalism to anyone.

'You guys' refers to republicans and not necessarily you.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: RichardE
I see no plan from you either besides sitting back and enjoying it. Seems we are in the same boat.

I have a plan that people like yourself refuse to try because of ignorance and prejudice.

Your discussions merely consist of stating your opinion and ignoring any questions which you do not have some pre-researched response for.

I answer anything I can. But if someone references some obscure historical fact that I do not have knowledge of, I am not going to spend 50 hours researching every aspect of that topic. Just recently I did some more research on how private fire departments work, which I explained to eskimospy, because he challenged me on that. Looking at your posting history, however, reveals that your replies have absolutely nothing to do with research, only mainstream political blah blah that is about as intellectual as taking a shit in a bucket.

All you do is preach about doom and the apathy of a nation which is contradicting exactly what is happening. At least the actual individuals I know who support a pure capitalism, or anarchist type of view actually have responses or ideologies that answer questions posed to them, you just have a wiki article and prophetic verses, your like Dave, on the other side of the spectrum.

So yeah, go back to your pipe.

Presidential approval ratings are in the toilet, congressional approval ratings are in the toilet, people are getting laid off in droves, banks are going bust, businesses are going bust and what I am saying is contradicting what is happening?? Wow, I think someone else needs to lay off the pipe. As for prophetic verses, you are the one with a link to a religious prayer for Israel in their signature. Your supernatural religious beliefs are just the other side of the same coin of your political beliefs: "we must have faaaaaaaith."

 

[jonks]

The United States is the single best greatest country god ever gave man on the face of the earth.


There, I said it.

 

[sandmanwake]

I hope you meant patriotism. Patriotism is being proud of your country for what it does. Nationalism is being proud of your country regardless of what it does.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
It really seems that the nationalistic spirit in this nation is dead compared to countries around the world. We are living in the greatest example of democracy the world has known and I for one am damn proud each and every day I wake up.

Actually we're not a democracy, and we score fairly low on the democracy rating scale. Not saying we don't have good things too, but don't get silly.

 

[ultra laser]

America has no nationalism because it's not really a nation. America consists of several different groups of people who happen to eat, sleep and defecate within the same geographical limits, but otherwise have nothing in common.

 

[Jeff7]

George Carlin talked about being "proud" to be a certain nationality. "It's a fucking cosmic accident," or something to that effect, he said. You happened to be born within some artificially-defined borders inside a system which is essentially little more than a logistics exercise meant to keep people in some kind of social order. "Be happy to be an American, don't be proud."

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Nationalism is a disease. It is a division into us and them whereas, in fact, there is only one humanity. We are all the same and our nation is the planet. Be proud of that or you will wind up killing somebody because they wear a different color shoe.

The Republicans, especially, love to evoke this disease, to pretend they are the real Americans. But they are only dirt bags because they make that attempt. We are all great Americans by virtue of being world citizens. Pride is the hidden face of self hate.

For once, I think I (mostly) agree with you.



Feverish, extreme nationalism is a different problem altogether.
"Wooo! We're awesome!" - I guess that's ok, so long as the implication is not, "Wooo! We're awesome and everyone else sucks!"
Then you're just being an arrogant dick.

 

[StageLeft]

Nationalism is a virtue if you're in a virtuous country and you use that nationalism as a tool to remind yourself of what you have, what you should be pleased with, not take for granted, and use to support empathy of those who have less.

When it goes beyond that and one considers themselves better for the luck of being born behind the lines on a map, when they see the nation as the end and not the nation as a means (which I think it should be, in the same way government is there to support its people, not the other way around), is when we run into problems.