What good does the GOP and modern conservative movement stand for?

[xj0hnx]

If it weren't for the GOP what would you progressive, loony leftist have your little circle jerks about?

 

[piasabird]

What does the President stand for?

Political Prisoners?
Banning all Guns?
Vacation!
Red Tape?
More Tax?
No Plan.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

I agree with Rabid, while hoping that OC's idea of a more moderate common-sense GOP comes to pass. The wingnuts and religious right have royally fucked the GOP (and the country in many ways) right in the ass. And judging from the foaming-at-the-mouth bullshit spewing out of Hannity, Levin, Rush, etc, they're not done yet. They are chomping at the bit to protect millionaires from (minor) tax hikes while not giving a shit about the rest of the populace. I do agree with the thinking that a moderate tax hike on the highest earners isn't really going to do jack shit, but holding the country hostage over it is beyond retarded.

I think the 2nd amendment issue is a legit problem for the Democrats though, if they push too hard, they risk losing a considerable number of independents and center right folks like myself, who see the Dems overall as the lesser of two evils when compared to the current GOP crop of assholes. Hopefully they stop at a simple stupid "Assault Weapons Ban" that is the same laughable joke that the last one was. Maybe they'll actually do something worthwhile and look at the much more cogent mental health issue, after all the Colorado shooter had a cache of explosives he could have used for even deadlier results had he not been able to get his hands on firearms in the first place (not that gun laws seem to matter to those who choose to use them to murder innoncents anyway).

I have no party at the moment, but the GOP needs to flush the tea turds before I'll even give them a second thought, unless the Dems :

(1)- Do absolutely zilch on spending. As much as the whiners on right-wing radio mouth off their nonsense about this, I do think it likely that they will work some deals to start ramping down spending.

(2)- Push too far with the gun control nonsense. We DO need a hard look at gun violence in this country and ways to help it, but the fact is blindingly clear that more obstacles and hassles for law-abiding gun owners is not the way. Is it a fact that most homicides by firearm use handguns? Yes, overwhelmingly so. Is it a fact that most of these homicides are committed by people with a previous record of violent crime? Why yes, yes it is. Is it also true that mass shootings, while a media sensation, are a true drop in the bucket compared to 'ordinary' single victim single pistol murders? Yes, yes it is.

So we see, there is a problem with criminals willing to murder with things including firearms, and criminals will find weapons regardless. However, it's pretty rare for an incarcerated individual to use a firearm in a murder, so how about we keep violent criminals locked up for MUCH longer to begin with? End the failed drug war, and start using the freed up prison space to house violent offenders for dramatically longer periods of time. Better still, create prisons exclusively filled with violent offenders, and create a system where if they engage in a violent act while in prison, they are charged and sentenced automatically with 10 year extensions on their time.

So : first offense, aggravated assault : 10 years, no parole, in a gladiator unit full of other lifers. Get in a fight, 10 more years. Spit towards a guard, 10 more years. Pretty soon we'll have a lot of dead scum, and people sitting on 500 year sentences. Win/win. As an added bonus you'd have absolutely NOBODY wanting to voluntarily follow in those kinds of footsteps. "Did you hear about Eddie?, he got in a bar fight and broke a bottle over some girl's head, he got sent to Ironside, made it 3 months before being stabbed to death on the toilet."

It seems you and I have a WHOLE lot in common. You people walking the party line should read this post, ALL OF IT.

 

[HumblePie]

eating babies, shooting guns, and buying gold

 

[sm625]

The hatred towards republicans is laughable when coming from democrats, who support the exact same policies. Both parties are parties of war, deficit spending, entitlements, dis-ease subsidization, bill-of-rights evisceration, you name it, they are both for it. What is really different about these two parties? 600 billion in phantom tax cuts over a 10 year span? On a budget that is looking to be $13-$18 trillion in the hole over the next 10 years? (Based on the past 10 years of deficit growth) Are you seriously that stupid? I want a frickin answer. Who actually believes that these two parties are somehow different, based on something tangible? (ie not rhetoric, but actual actions, ie actual differences in legislation passed?)

 

[glenn1]

It seems to me when looking at the sum of their collective positions they are simply pure evil and a poison to everything great this country is.

If you really cared you would find out rather than just post a navel gazing thread like this. Truth is, the outside of the laudable Democratic support for diversity, their economic ideas are bankrupt and their social model is a failure that's hemorrhaging population from blue to red states.

 

[BoberFett]

If you really cared you would find out rather than just post a navel gazing thread like this. Truth is, the outside of the laudable Democratic support for diversity, their economic ideas are bankrupt and their social model is a failure that's hemorrhaging population from blue to red states.

Other than some Republicans being homophobes and racists (though not in the imagined quantity that partisan hacks like RabidFailgoose masturbates to every day) the two parties aren't really very different. Same basic approach to government, same failed policies, beholden to the same special interests. Democrats love to pretend that they're the opposite of Republicans and that makes them holy, but to any sane person the differences are negligible in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Jhhnn]

Other than some Republicans being homophobes and racists (though not in the imagined quantity that partisan hacks like RabidFailgoose masturbates to every day) the two parties aren't really very different. Same basic approach to government, same failed policies, beholden to the same special interests. Democrats love to pretend that they're the opposite of Republicans and that makes them holy, but to any sane person the differences are negligible in the grand scheme of things.

When all else fails, resort to false equivalence, if only to maintain your smug illusions.

 

[BoberFett]

When all else fails, resort to false equivalence, if only to maintain your smug illusions.

Funny, coming from the political party who's only motto should be "At least we're not Republicans."

 

[Mani]

I believe the new national GOP platform will be more libertarian and fiscally conservative, even if that means increased taxes and a hard look at Pentagon waste.

Wish that were true but more like wishful thinking. No way the GOP takes a hard look at the defense sacred cow nor their other pet pork (farm subsidies, etc.). The GOP doesn't really stand for anything right now - it's a party that has in the last 8 years lived on a platform of Not Obama and that has eroded its foundation and identity.