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Captante

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If you get a new phone it will usually download all your old text-messages to a certain point on LEGIT Android.

With a "custom" ROM who knows WTH is going on. :rolleyes:

If you want to compare Android to IPhone you need to do it with the latest/updated version of a PROPERLY SUPPORTED OS not a version with potentially amateur-level security.
 
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Red Squirrel

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The custom roms are actually more secure as they strip out all the spy stuff, but issue is they seem glitchy. But I put the sim in my old phone with stock android and it's doing it even there too, which is weird because I never had that problem with that phone before. Really don't know what's going on. I might have to bite the bullet and just get an iphone like everyone else, but I hate being in such a closed ecosystem full of spying. Suppose I can just introduce lot of noise so the data is worthless to them. Set the phone on the radio turned on for example.

Might also bring it to a phone store and ask to get a new sim card for what it's worth, maybe somehow it's a sim card issue.
 
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MrSquished

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The custom roms are actually more secure as they strip out all the spy stuff, but issue is they seem glitchy. But I put the sim in my old phone with stock android and it's doing it even there too, which is weird because I never had that problem with that phone before. Really don't know what's going on. I might have to bite the bullet and just get an iphone like everyone else, but I hate being in such a closed ecosystem full of spying. Suppose I can just introduce lot of noise so the data is worthless to them. Set the phone on the radio turned on for example.

Might also bring it to a phone store and ask to get a new sim card for what it's worth, maybe somehow it's a sim card issue.

you are on facebook dude. thou dost protest too much.
 
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sdifox

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The custom roms are actually more secure as they strip out all the spy stuff, but issue is they seem glitchy. But I put the sim in my old phone with stock android and it's doing it even there too, which is weird because I never had that problem with that phone before. Really don't know what's going on. I might have to bite the bullet and just get an iphone like everyone else, but I hate being in such a closed ecosystem full of spying. Suppose I can just introduce lot of noise so the data is worthless to them. Set the phone on the radio turned on for example.

Might also bring it to a phone store and ask to get a new sim card for what it's worth, maybe somehow it's a sim card issue.


you are the leet haxxor here! why haven't you rolled your own phone rom yet? Can't be more than a million line of code.
 

Red Squirrel

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you are the leet haxxor here! why haven't you rolled your own phone rom yet? Can't be more than a million line of code.

The OS is only half of the hard part. The hardware is the real problem. Phone hardware is super restrictive compared to PC. You can't just write another OS for it, at least not easily. Even custom roms are just customized versions of android, and only work on very specific phones.
 

Captante

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I'll take my chances with Android 13 and the November official Google/Samsung security patch thanks.

Even most "phone enthusiasts" don't recommend using a custom ROM these days because they are NOT secure.

;)
 

sdifox

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The OS is only half of the hard part. The hardware is the real problem. Phone hardware is super restrictive compared to PC. You can't just write another OS for it, at least not easily. Even custom roms are just customized versions of android, and only work on very specific phones.

Wait, I thought software was easy? And you already have the hardware, it is an android fork, so what is the issue here?
 

Red Squirrel

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I'll take my chances with Android 13 and the November official Google/Samsung security patch thanks.

Even most "phone enthusiasts" don't recommend using a custom ROM these days because they are NOT secure.

;)

I might have to go that route, though I tried to put the sim card in my old phone which is stock android and it's still doing it. Really don't know what to do anymore, and it's super annoying getting old texts back from previous conversations, just being bombarded all day by that. I am finding some people with similar issues when searching but no real fix, seems to be an android issue so starting to wonder if I just get an iphone.
 
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pete6032

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Against my better judgement, I bought an audiobook from audible without researching particulars first. What I got was a drm infested piece of shit. Now I have to figure out how to crack it without giving myself a virus. Fuckers. Looks like it's time to dust off the eye patch, and polish my cutlass. I don't know why people buy anything digital. Aside from gog and bandcamp, everything sucks.
I used to be an Audible subscriber but then I realized my local library had Libby, which provides thousands of audiobooks for free. Been using that ever since. If you are in DC I would imagine the DC public library has a lot.
 
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Captante

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I might have to go that route, though I tried to put the sim card in my old phone which is stock android and it's still doing it. Really don't know what to do anymore, and it's super annoying getting old texts back from previous conversations, just being bombarded all day by that. I am finding some people with similar issues when searching but no real fix, seems to be an android issue so starting to wonder if I just get an iphone.

Could always try changing your phone number?

IPhone's can get spammed too.
 

Red Squirrel

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Could always try changing your phone number?

IPhone's can get spammed too.

This is not spam this is text from my family, but it's old texts that keep coming back as new. The entire conversation will basically play out as if it's happening now.

I suspect changing my phone number would maybe fix it temporarily then the problem would start again with whatever texts I got on the new number.
 

MrSquished

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This is not spam this is text from my family, but it's old texts that keep coming back as new. The entire conversation will basically play out as if it's happening now.

I suspect changing my phone number would maybe fix it temporarily then the problem would start again with whatever texts I got on the new number.

That's either a carrier problem or a problem caused by using your custom ROM, because that's when it started. I really doubt it would start with a new number on a stock ROM unless the custom ROM really messed something up with the carrier side thinking your messages were not received. Call them up and have them do a full network reset for you when you aren't supervising the 2,000 sq ft shed to run Twitter from.
 

Captante

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This is not spam this is text from my family, but it's old texts that keep coming back as new. The entire conversation will basically play out as if it's happening now.

I suspect changing my phone number would maybe fix it temporarily then the problem would start again with whatever texts I got on the new number.

You could also try making a new Google account along with a new phone number.... then the old/archived texts won't try to reload because you won't have any.

Bottom line the ONLY time I've ever seen what you're describing happen is either with a brand-new android phone OR after a factory-reset.

Since (apparently?) you have not done either of those things my guess is that some un-patched bug in the 3rd party ROM you're running is mistakenly requesting old texts be downloaded repeatedly. (possibly by marking them "unread")

Flash back to a properly supported OS and I bet you the issue fixes itself.


EDIT: A common cause for repeated downloading of archived SMS messages on Android has to do with problems using Google Drive for SMS backup. (and may be exacerbated by bugs in your sketchy OS)
 
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pmv

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An internal hard-drive died. Or rather, it mysteriously disappeared, such that windows didn't acknowledge it existed any more. Then, after a couple of days, it reappeared as if nothing had happened.
I assume this is not a good sign.

Damn, I hate the whole business of backing things up. Not least because most of the backup media themselves have finite lifespans, but also because I hate having to engage in the mental effort of working out what things I actually want to keep.
 
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Captante

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I assume this is not a good sign

Wise assumption.... assuming (lol) you've checked for any potentially loose cables my guess is that HDD is on its last legs. I used to have a SATA cable/drive that would "disconnect" at random but a hot-replug would fix it.

Replacing the cable solved the issue.

You can also try doing a "SMART" check but even if the drive passes I would still suggest planning for the worst.

:(
 
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Damn, I hate the whole business of backing things up. Not least because most of the backup media themselves have finite lifespans, but also because I hate having to engage in the mental effort of working out what things I actually want to keep.
Clone it to an identical or bigger hard drive using Macrium.

Like NOW!

God has given you a chance to save data you may need.

Don't turn off the PC. Connect the other HDD to the running PC via USB enclosure.

Once done, feel free to torture the bad HDD or even use it as "backup".
 

lxskllr

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How does sms work? I thought it was just a relay. It gets sent, and if it was received, it disappeared from the server. If deleted from the phone, it's gone forever. I haven't had issues with sms on my stock motorola rom, with no google account. I use qksms
 

pmv

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Clone it to an identical or bigger hard drive using Macrium.

Like NOW!

God has given you a chance to save data you may need.

Don't turn off the PC. Connect the other HDD to the running PC via USB enclosure.

Once done, feel free to torture the bad HDD or even use it as "backup".


Trouble is I don't have a disk available. Very short of disk space. Maybe I'll have to buy another HD, but feels like that's just kicking the can down the road. Instead will try working out what is actually needed (e.g. I don't really need a local copy of a disk ISO of an earlier version of Ubuntu, or the drivers for the video card...can always download that stuff again if I need it) and burn that to blu ray.
 

Red Squirrel

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You could also try making a new Google account along with a new phone number.... then the old/archived texts won't try to reload because you won't have any.

Bottom line the ONLY time I've ever seen what you're describing happen is either with a brand-new android phone OR after a factory-reset.

Since (apparently?) you have not done either of those things my guess is that some un-patched bug in the 3rd party ROM you're running is mistakenly requesting old texts be downloaded repeatedly. (possibly by marking them "unread")

Flash back to a properly supported OS and I bet you the issue fixes itself.


EDIT: A common cause for repeated downloading of archived SMS messages on Android has to do with problems using Google Drive for SMS backup. (and may be exacerbated by bugs in your sketchy OS)


That's the nice thing with the custom rom, you don't need to tie it with a google account so it's stand alone and your phone's ability to work is not at the mercy of a 3rd party server. There's no cloud stuff involved. That's why it's safer. But I put the sim in my old phone with regular android and the same problem started happening, so I don't even know if this is phone specific anymore. I called my carrier just for fun to see if they have suggestions and they said that sometimes there's "glitches on the network" but I think that is just a blanket for "we're really not sure". Getting 100s of texts from old conversations is more than just a glitch and if it was carrier wide I would be hearing lot of people talking about it too.

I think at the end of the day I need to just suck it up and get an iphone so I have the same setup as everyone else. As much as I hate the lack of privacy and security compared to a hardened OS.
 

Red Squirrel

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An internal hard-drive died. Or rather, it mysteriously disappeared, such that windows didn't acknowledge it existed any more. Then, after a couple of days, it reappeared as if nothing had happened.
I assume this is not a good sign.

Damn, I hate the whole business of backing things up. Not least because most of the backup media themselves have finite lifespans, but also because I hate having to engage in the mental effort of working out what things I actually want to keep.

I use a removable drive dock and internal drives, like you would use tapes. I set it up so I just have to pop a drive in, and run a command on my NAS. The command will look at the drive by label, and determine what backup job needs to run and run it. Backup jobs just consist of rsync commands. The backup jobs are just a list of folders I want to back up that can fit on that particular drive.

I want to come up with a better solution though, one that works more similar to commercial backup systems that use tapes. They handle everything like retention, spreading data across multiple tapes etc. Once I have that setup I will pull the drives out of my old SAN and use those too as part of the pool. They are only like 250GB and 400GB drives which are too small for my current setup, but if the software manages all the spanning then it would not be a huge deal. I would just be getting up a lot to swap drives out during the initial backup.
 

MrSquished

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That's the nice thing with the custom rom, you don't need to tie it with a google account so it's stand alone and your phone's ability to work is not at the mercy of a 3rd party server. There's no cloud stuff involved. That's why it's safer. But I put the sim in my old phone with regular android and the same problem started happening, so I don't even know if this is phone specific anymore. I called my carrier just for fun to see if they have suggestions and they said that sometimes there's "glitches on the network" but I think that is just a blanket for "we're really not sure". Getting 100s of texts from old conversations is more than just a glitch and if it was carrier wide I would be hearing lot of people talking about it too.

I think at the end of the day I need to just suck it up and get an iphone so I have the same setup as everyone else. As much as I hate the lack of privacy and security compared to a hardened OS.

I don't think you are realizing how these things work. The reason a custom ROM is not secure is because as vulnerabilities and exploits get discovered, Google/Samsung and Apple send out updates to the phones to patch these things. You are getting none of that on a Custom ROM. Also who is even writing that custom ROM? Could be some guy from China working for the CCCP for all you know. And you are on FB, so what do you really care if you have a google account or an apple account?

What email service do you use as your primary personal email address anyways? I am curious.

As far as texting. SMS is a carrier based messaging protocol. In fact it was just filler used when towers were checking in with the phones anyway, and the carriers just piggybacked SMS texts onto those tiny communications as it was essentially free for them - meanwhile they were charging per texts in the beginning. They were making bank on that.

But anyways, SMS uses nothing on Google's servers or Apple's servers. Now iMessage does indeed use Apple's servers if you want to use all the features of iMessge, which everyone does. So in fact your messages are stored on their servers for 30 days. For a long time you could only use iMessages, but now you can install other apps to text with on Apple and just use SMS, which again, is purely carrier based. Google now has RCS, which is similar to iMessage, and it too runs on Google servers via a company called Jibe which interfaces with the carriers to handle all the backend. On Google you can also disable RCS and just use regular SMS, and you have always been able to use third-party messaging apps on there forever, so nothing new for Android users. But because Apple and Google run their own servers for those services, they can now do end to end encrypted messaging between messages sent and received the same way - iMessage to iMessage and RCS to RCS. It would encompass all users but Apple is keeping iMessage in its walled garden, so they are actually holding back security for their users instead of adopting features of RCS or opening up iMessages to Android phones. So actually, messages on the carriers servers got an extra layer of security. Encryption. Fascinating.

BTW also you DO NOT NEED to use a Google account to use Android. But you will lose access to Google services like Maps and the Play store. Same thing on Apple. You can do that and not have access to Apple services.

You can just sideload Facebook on it because that's how super privacy IT nerds do it - they use the biggest data harvesting and a more insecure service like FB while gimping their phones in other ways like with Custom ROMS and not understanding how security updates actually work.

(disclaimer: I do not work in IT, though I do follow tech and mobile technology, but neither do I think you can run Twitter in a 2,000 sq foot room with just a couple engineers, so there's that)
 
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Mai72

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Had to use the bathroom, but was too lazy to move from my computer chair.

I finally went to the bathroom an hour later. Why is life hard? :confused_old:
 
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JEDI

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lifestyle creep:
my 1meg/sec wifi is slow
 
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QueBert

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I'm having trouble adjusting to the new 60% keyboard I bought. I keep pressing the arrow key to move my cursor back in when I'm typing shit to make changes only to remember this fucker doesn't have arrow keys.