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What facts are there AGAINST Evolution? no religion please

The most common critcism is evolution's seeming "jumps," creating drastic changes in features in a very short time. One example often given was the feather, a very complex feature that seemed to appear out of nowhere in early birds. Recently, however, evidence has been found that many bird-hipped dinosaurs had feathers (including the Velociraptor and T. Rex).

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Originally posted by: ClueLis
The most common critcism is evolution's seeming "jumps," creating drastic changes in features in a very short time. One example often given was the feather, a very complex feature that seemed to appear out of nowhere in early birds. Recently, however, evidence has been found that many bird-hipped dinosaurs had feathers (including the Velociraptor and T. Rex).

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Lots of religious types like to point out how innacurate Carbon dating is, but then use it to prove that the earth is only 5000 years old or something.
 
What facts are there AGAINST Evolution? no religion please
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No facts, just an observation. Most of evolutionary theory is supported well enough to be considered fact. The weakest link is that to be a totally non-deist complete belief system, you have to believe in abiogenesis (that life came from nothing). That's sort of a hard philosophical POV for most to embrace without reservation.
 
The only evidence against it, I think anyway, is a lack of evidence in certain areas. This is sometimes known as the "missing link" or, as mentioned above, abiogenesis. The lack of evidence for either of these is (mis)construed as evidence against it.
 
Originally posted by: MrAwesome
Originally posted by: ClueLis
The most common critcism is evolution's seeming "jumps," creating drastic changes in features in a very short time. One example often given was the feather, a very complex feature that seemed to appear out of nowhere in early birds. Recently, however, evidence has been found that many bird-hipped dinosaurs had feathers (including the Velociraptor and T. Rex).

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Originally posted by: Chraticn
Originally posted by: MrAwesome
Originally posted by: ClueLis
The most common critcism is evolution's seeming "jumps," creating drastic changes in features in a very short time. One example often given was the feather, a very complex feature that seemed to appear out of nowhere in early birds. Recently, however, evidence has been found that many bird-hipped dinosaurs had feathers (including the Velociraptor and T. Rex).

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To the max!
 
There are no facts against evolution. What the Jesus-freaks use in a vain attempt to discredit it is that it cannot be proven to 100% certainty. Fossil records are excellent, but not complete. As you trace the evolution of each species it's easy to see the small changes take place over vast periods of time. What you can't see is a second-by-second record, there will be the "missing" link at various places where it seems that unexplained jumps took place. Generally though, our knowledge of evolution is pretty new. Religion used to control science and covered up or destroyed a lot of info. The fact that there are missing links is a product of limited discovery time. Every day more and more of the gaps are closed and fewer and fewer links remain missing. It's like a jigsaw puzzle getting put together, all the pieces are not in place yet, but only a blind person would be unable to see the picture taking shape.
 
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: Chraticn
Originally posted by: MrAwesome
Originally posted by: ClueLis
The most common critcism is evolution's seeming "jumps," creating drastic changes in features in a very short time. One example often given was the feather, a very complex feature that seemed to appear out of nowhere in early birds. Recently, however, evidence has been found that many bird-hipped dinosaurs had feathers (including the Velociraptor and T. Rex).

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I think one of the main facts seen is that evolution claims that there comes a point where divergent evolution creates out of a single organism two of them that cannot reproduce with one another. This phenomena however has never been observed in nature (ie, we have seen microevolution where a birds beak gets bigger, etc), but we have never seen any animal successfully diverge into two different species. Tests have proven that all of darwin's finches from every different island can still reproduce with one another despite reproductive isolation. Thus the limit to evolution is that it is only capable of creating minute variations (like 200 variations of dogs), but not new species.
 
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
There are no facts against evolution. What the Jesus-freaks use in a vain attempt to discredit it is that it cannot be proven to 100% certainty. Fossil records are excellent, but not complete. As you trace the evolution of each species it's easy to see the small changes take place over vast periods of time. What you can't see is a second-by-second record, there will be the "missing" link at various places where it seems that unexplained jumps took place. Generally though, our knowledge of evolution is pretty new. Religion used to control science and covered up or destroyed a lot of info. The fact that there are missing links is a product of limited discovery time. Every day more and more of the gaps are closed and fewer and fewer links remain missing. It's like a jigsaw puzzle getting put together, all the pieces are not in place yet, but only a blind person would be unable to see the picture taking shape.
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Please, remember that only a minority of Christians don't accept evolution. We established this years ago on the forums, but people still think the vocal minority of extreme fundamentalists are the majority of Christians.

 
Originally posted by: Eli
There are none.
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evolution is a theory based off a number of facts derived from observations. However, a great number of these facts are being disproven. Being a bioengineer here at berkeley seems to open up a ton of doors to these facts. msg me if you'd like more details.
 
Originally posted by: ed21x
Originally posted by: Eli
There are none.
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evolution is a theory based off a number of facts derived from observations. However, a great number of these facts are being disproven. Being a bioengineer here at berkeley seems to open up a ton of doors to these facts. msg me if you'd like more details.
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Please, post it here if you have any evidence that contradicts modern evolutionary theory. It would certainly be news if it happened.

 
The overall concensus among scientists is that evolution of some form of another is right. What of the arguments creationists use is that scientists are in disagreement over evolution. Most of their evidence is taking statements out of context.
 
I have a religious molecular biology major friend. I know he mentioned a few before when asked, but we don't really talk about that stuff nor does he try to enforce his ideals on me.
 
Hey Gixxer how did you get to be Elite with so few posts? And did you end up getting divorced from FiddleDeeDee or what?
 
Originally posted by: glen
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
There are no facts against evolution. What the Jesus-freaks use in a vain attempt to discredit it is that it cannot be proven to 100% certainty. Fossil records are excellent, but not complete. As you trace the evolution of each species it's easy to see the small changes take place over vast periods of time. What you can't see is a second-by-second record, there will be the "missing" link at various places where it seems that unexplained jumps took place. Generally though, our knowledge of evolution is pretty new. Religion used to control science and covered up or destroyed a lot of info. The fact that there are missing links is a product of limited discovery time. Every day more and more of the gaps are closed and fewer and fewer links remain missing. It's like a jigsaw puzzle getting put together, all the pieces are not in place yet, but only a blind person would be unable to see the picture taking shape.
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Please, remember that only a minority of Christians don't accept evolution. We established this years ago on the forums, but people still think the vocal minority of extreme fundamentalists are the majority of Christians.
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Yes, an excellent source to prove/disprove any belief
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Evolution is a theory that tries to explain observations and evidence; nothing more, nothing less. If there is enough evidence that runs contrary to the established theory, then the theory should be modified to fit new evidence as it arises. It is not a situation where some microbiologist can say "here is (some random observation that apparently flies in the face of established evolutionary theory). It's not explained by the theory of evolution, so therefore we need to scrap the entire theory." That is muddled thinking.
 
Originally posted by: ed21x
Originally posted by: Eli
There are none.
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evolution is a theory based off a number of facts derived from observations. However, a great number of these facts are being disproven. Being a bioengineer here at berkeley seems to open up a ton of doors to these facts. msg me if you'd like more details.
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Why not post here? Should be pretty simple.

Otherwise...well...I could claim the same thing.
 
Originally posted by: Yzzim
Originally posted by: glen
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
There are no facts against evolution. What the Jesus-freaks use in a vain attempt to discredit it is that it cannot be proven to 100% certainty. Fossil records are excellent, but not complete. As you trace the evolution of each species it's easy to see the small changes take place over vast periods of time. What you can't see is a second-by-second record, there will be the "missing" link at various places where it seems that unexplained jumps took place. Generally though, our knowledge of evolution is pretty new. Religion used to control science and covered up or destroyed a lot of info. The fact that there are missing links is a product of limited discovery time. Every day more and more of the gaps are closed and fewer and fewer links remain missing. It's like a jigsaw puzzle getting put together, all the pieces are not in place yet, but only a blind person would be unable to see the picture taking shape.
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Please, remember that only a minority of Christians don't accept evolution. We established this years ago on the forums, but people still think the vocal minority of extreme fundamentalists are the majority of Christians.
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Yes, an excellent source to prove/disprove any belief
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