Maybe I'm simple minded, but I can't see the connection between the definition (gothic) and the culture (goth). Are the two even related? Where did "goth" culture start? What's goth music like? Some people claim Evanescence (the "Origin" album) has some goth due to the epic music, but I for one like them a lot. I've been pondering this for some time, but I still can't get a definite answer from anyone. Help?
what exactly is "Goth"?
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Please, someone here has to know. This is really bugging me. Perfect girl = semi punk. Knows how to dress up but wears sk8r clothes normally. In other words, Avril Lavigne. But back on topic, hhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllppppppppppp.
Goth: lonely high school kids who just want to be part of a group. They just picked the group with the worst style of dress.
Some goth girls are really pretty. But that's beside the point.
Does ANYONE here know?!?!??!?!?!?!?!? I got a feeling I'm gonna be up a while cause I don't plan on going to sleep until I find out.
edit: Red Dawn do you ALWAYS bash others? lmao
Does ANYONE here know?!?!??!?!?!?!?!? I got a feeling I'm gonna be up a while cause I don't plan on going to sleep until I find out.
edit: Red Dawn do you ALWAYS bash others? lmao
Well apparently it's not just a high school fad. Don't they have some kind of beliefs though? And goth music WHAT IS IT? I refuse to believe that's it's just make-up with absolutely nothing behind it. I don't know anyone who woke up one day and said "I'm depressed I'm gonna be a goth now".
Don't forget the barbarian tribes (from what now is mostly Germany) known as "Goths" (i.e. Ostorgoths). For a fictional example, I believe the opening scene of Gladiator were the Romans fighting goths.
Not to be condesending<sp?> but Goth is what Goth is. The term "goth" is so broad it's not really definable as a culture. Do most goths dress the same? No. Listen to the same music? No. Go to the same clubs? No. Watch the same TV shows? No. Like going to cemeteries? No. Specific fashions, entertainment choices, and bands might be labled as "goth" but just because you dress a certain way, like certain music, or frequent certain clubs doesn't mean yer goth. Hell, if you want to irritate everymember at a goth BB start a thread asking "what is goth" and watch the fur fly.
It's rather amusing.
Many goths are straying away from the term "goth" because it's gotten so cliched that some think it's not goth to be goth. If that makes any sense...
Goths are kinda like evil, sexy geeks. The two sub-cultures have many similarities, IMO, except one tends to be way more dramatic and "artsie" than the other.
Lethal
Not to be condesending<sp?> but Goth is what Goth is. The term "goth" is so broad it's not really definable as a culture. Do most goths dress the same? No. Listen to the same music? No. Go to the same clubs? No. Watch the same TV shows? No. Like going to cemeteries? No. Specific fashions, entertainment choices, and bands might be labled as "goth" but just because you dress a certain way, like certain music, or frequent certain clubs doesn't mean yer goth. Hell, if you want to irritate everymember at a goth BB start a thread asking "what is goth" and watch the fur fly.
It's rather amusing.Many goths are straying away from the term "goth" because it's gotten so cliched that some think it's not goth to be goth. If that makes any sense...
Goths are kinda like evil, sexy geeks. The two sub-cultures have many similarities, IMO, except one tends to be way more dramatic and "artsie" than the other.
Lethal
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Why the f#$%#$ they call it goth or gothic anyway? Gothic is 16th century architecture style and has nothing to do with it.
Being so called gothic is just a teeny identity crisis in my head, people who wanna belong or clique but cant find anythign better. (as taht social group appears on the bottom)
Being so called gothic is just a teeny identity crisis in my head, people who wanna belong or clique but cant find anythign better. (as taht social group appears on the bottom)
Links to a goth BB? I'm gonna be a guinea pig. I don't understand "it's not goth to be goth". Evil sexy geeks? Never seen one.Originally posted by: LethalWolfe
Don't forget the barbarian tribes (from what now is mostly Germany) known as "Goths" (i.e. Ostorgoths). For a fictional example, I believe the opening scene of Gladiator were the Romans fighting goths.
Not to be condesending<sp?> but Goth is what Goth is. The term "goth" is so broad it's not really definable as a culture. Do most goths dress the same? No. Listen to the same music? No. Go to the same clubs? No. Watch the same TV shows? No. Like going to cemeteries? No. Specific fashions, entertainment choices, and bands might be labled as "goth" but just because you dress a certain way, like certain music, or frequent certain clubs doesn't mean yer goth. Hell, if you want to irritate everymember at a goth BB start a thread asking "what is goth" and watch the fur fly.
Many goths are straying away from the term "goth" because it's gotten so cliched that some think it's not goth to be goth. If that makes any sense...
Goths are kinda like evil, sexy geeks. The two sub-cultures have many similarities, IMO, except one tends to be way more dramatic and "artsie" than the other.
Lethal
Gothic: A word that originally referred to a Germanic tribe, the Goths, the term Gothic today is usually used to connote the medieval world in general and, in particular, a style of architecture that originated in France and that flourished during the Medieval Period, particularly during the thirteeth through the fifteenth centruies. Gothic buildings are characterized by a wealth of ornamental and intricate detail. Gothic architecture can seem flamboyant, mysterious, or even frightening. (Gothic cathedrals are often adorned with carvings of grotesque people, monsters, or devils knon as gargoyles.)
When applied to literature, Gothic is used to refer to a genre characterized by a general mood of decay, action that is dramatic and generally violent or otherwise disturbing, loves that are destructively passionate, and settings that are grandiose, if gloomy or bleak. The Gothic novel arose in late eighteenth-century England and remained popular into the nineteenth century throughout Europe and America; elements of Gothic novel and Gothic literature in general have persisted up to our own day. Some early forerunners of the Gothic genre are Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Henry James, Mary Shelley, Lord Byron and the Bronte sisters. Modern examples of Gothic authors would be Phyllis A. Whitney, Stephen King, and Anne Rice.
Popular culture continues to feature the gothic and gothic horror. "Goth Rock" enjoyed a vogue in the 1980's when musical groups shuch as The Cure forged a series of majestic, forboding rock albums awash with morbid sounds and themes. A more recent and extreme version of Goth Rock with a particularly provacative, even blashpemous, edge is purveyed by Marilyn Manson.
---paraphrased from The Bedford Glossary of Critical And Literary Terms
So as you see, the Goth culture today springs from these elements in art and literture. But my guess is that there are lots of Goths who don't know this, they're just trying to fit in with a group of people who think and act against social norms like they do. Which is also part of what it means to be Goth....
When applied to literature, Gothic is used to refer to a genre characterized by a general mood of decay, action that is dramatic and generally violent or otherwise disturbing, loves that are destructively passionate, and settings that are grandiose, if gloomy or bleak. The Gothic novel arose in late eighteenth-century England and remained popular into the nineteenth century throughout Europe and America; elements of Gothic novel and Gothic literature in general have persisted up to our own day. Some early forerunners of the Gothic genre are Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Henry James, Mary Shelley, Lord Byron and the Bronte sisters. Modern examples of Gothic authors would be Phyllis A. Whitney, Stephen King, and Anne Rice.
Popular culture continues to feature the gothic and gothic horror. "Goth Rock" enjoyed a vogue in the 1980's when musical groups shuch as The Cure forged a series of majestic, forboding rock albums awash with morbid sounds and themes. A more recent and extreme version of Goth Rock with a particularly provacative, even blashpemous, edge is purveyed by Marilyn Manson.
---paraphrased from The Bedford Glossary of Critical And Literary Terms
So as you see, the Goth culture today springs from these elements in art and literture. But my guess is that there are lots of Goths who don't know this, they're just trying to fit in with a group of people who think and act against social norms like they do. Which is also part of what it means to be Goth....
Yeah, but I think you should discern the truth before you make ignorant comments. You have got no clue.
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