What exactly is a neocon?

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: Todd33
I fail to see how the Neocons are related to the word liberal. Are we talking about some old definition of liberal from 30 years ago?

Neocon is just a imperialistic war monger who could care less about being fiscally conservative. The bible thumpers are just used for votes, just scare them with gay marriage and they'll vote for anything you want.

/insert bigotry song here

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: nutxo
/insert bigotry song here

Aren't you ashamed to bring your bible-thumping Souther-brand racism to this board? How sick that you know racist songs.... *shakes head*

 

[ReiAyanami]

neocons = new cons

from prefix to suffix

 

[Genx87]

Chances are most on here have no idea what they are but wont fail to call you a neocon if they dont agree with you.

I would call them neolibs but that is too nice. Ill go with dumbass instead

 

[Infohawk]

Here is an enraged neocon

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Chances are most on here have no idea what they are but wont fail to call you a neocon if they dont agree with you.

I would call them neolibs but that is too nice. Ill go with dumbass instead

Thanks for your completely useless post.

Go troll somewhere else.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

I guess I'm not the only "straw man".

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/..._Protocols-Neocons.htm

Uh, what the hell was that? Somebody found a paper and wrote "What immediately struck me was that with a little dusting off, abridging and updating, it could easily be the handbook of the neocons." And you provide that as support for your definition of neocon? What's to stop someone from finding a book on satanic rituals and writing an article comparing it to the Democratic party? Wouldn't that hold about the same amount of water?

You are sinking deeper and deeper into conspiracy nonsense. I think I've made a mistake in giving you entirely too much credit for rational thought. There are plenty of reasons to wear that tinfoil hat of yours, but I don't beleive this is one of them. Or maybe I'm just naive and the neocons are a secret society out for global domination, along with Elvis and the aliens.

 

[Jhhnn]

Here's the sugar coated version from the avowed father of neoconservatism-

http://www.weeklystandard.com/...0/000/003/000tzmlw.asp

and this one gives a more historical view, of the darker side, too...

http://www.logosjournal.com/mason.htm

From my own perspective, they're the Jewish and Christian Zionist tail wagging the American dog...

 

[conjur]

Can't forget the neocons home-base:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/


And some info about them:

http://www.pnac.info

 

[Baltazar325]

Woo, I took the quiz and it said I was a realist.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Baltazar325
Woo, I took the quiz and it said I was a realist.

Hey, me too! But that can't be - I've not pledged my undying allegiance to Kerry, therefore I must be a radical neocon!

 

[kage69]

Hey, me too! But that can't be - I've not pledged my undying allegiance to Kerry, therefore I must be a radical neocon!

By that rational, those who oppose Bush MUST be Kerry zealots!! Of course, it's all so clear now! *slaps head*

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Here's the sugar coated version from the avowed father of neoconservatism-

http://www.weeklystandard.com/...0/000/003/000tzmlw.asp

and this one gives a more historical view, of the darker side, too...

http://www.logosjournal.com/mason.htm

From my own perspective, they're the Jewish and Christian Zionist tail wagging the American dog...

CycloWizard and cKGunslinger, I'd like to read your comments on Mason's article in particular. It has been posted here on AT P&N before.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: kage69

Hey, me too! But that can't be - I've not pledged my undying allegiance to Kerry, therefore I must be a radical neocon!

By that rational, those who oppose Bush MUST be Kerry zealots!! Of course, it's all so clear now! *slaps head*

You'd be surprised (or maybe not) how many times myself and others have been called neocons (and worse) when we choose to question anything Kerry has said or done, or defend anything about Bush. Yes, it IS stupid logic. But sadly, that seems to be the most popular kind of logic used here.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: kage69

Hey, me too! But that can't be - I've not pledged my undying allegiance to Kerry, therefore I must be a radical neocon!

By that rational, those who oppose Bush MUST be Kerry zealots!! Of course, it's all so clear now! *slaps head*

:thumbsup:

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Baltazar325
Woo, I took the quiz and it said I was a realist.

My not-too-surprising results:

Liberal

Liberals?

Are wary of American arrogance and hypocrisy
Trace much of today's anti-American hatred to previous US foreign policies.
Believe political solutions are inherently superior to military solutions
Believe the US is morally bound to intervene in humanitarian crises
Oppose American imperialism
Support international law, alliances, and agreements
Encourage US participation in the UN
Believe US economic policies must help lift up the world's poor
Historical liberal: President Woodrow Wilson

Modern liberal: President Jimmy Carter

 

[Vic]

No surprises here:

Isolationist

The term isolationist is most often used negatively; few people who share its beliefs use it to describe their own foreign policy perspective. They believe in "America first." For them, national sovereignty trumps international relations. Many unions, libertarians, and anti-globalization protesters share isolationist tenets.

Isolationists?

Are wary of US involvement in the United Nations
Oppose international law, alliances, and agreements
Believe the US should not act as a global cop
Support trade practices that protect American workers
Oppose liberal immigration
Oppose American imperialism
Desire to preserve what they see as America's national identity and character
Historical isolationist: President Calvin Coolidge
Modern isolationist: Author/Commentator Pat Buchanan

 

[wiin]

neocon

 

[Kibbo]

Where is this quiz?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Kibbo
Where is this quiz?

Here.

 

[1EZduzit]

I tested Liberal. About half of the questions I faltered on between being a realist or a liberal, but I chose ideology. When actually put to the test in a real situation I think I could eaily end up a realist.

 

[Ozoned]

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The term neoconservative is somewhat controversial, with many to whom the label is applied rejecting it. It has become increasingly popular in recent years, to the point where many say it is becoming overused and lacking any coherent definition, especially since many so-called neoconservatives vehemently disagree with one another on major issues.

Criticism of term
The term was coined by socialist Michael Harrington, who wanted a way to characterize former leftists who had moved significantly to the right -- people he had been deriding as "socialists for Nixon."

Many of the men and women to whom the neoconservative label is applied to reject the title, arguing it is an artificial and abstract creation. The fact that its use has rapidly risen since the 2003 Iraq War is cited by conservatives as proof that the term is largely irrelevant in the long-term. David Horowitz, a purported leading neo-con thinker offered this critique in a recent interview with an Italian newspaper:

"Neo-conservatism" is a term almost exclusively used by the enemies of America's liberation of Iraq. There is no "neo-conservative" movement in the United States. When there was one, it was made up of former Democrats who embraced the welfare state but supported Ronald Reagan's Cold War policies against the Soviet bloc. Today "neo-conservatism" identifies those who believe in an aggressive policy against radical Islam and the global terrorists.
Similarly, many other supposed neoconservatives believe that the term has been adopted by the political left to stereotype supporters of U.S. foreign policy under the George W. Bush administration. Others have similarly likened descriptions of neoconservatism to a conspiracy theory and attribute the term to anti-Semitism. Paul Wolfowitz has denounced the term as meaningless label, saying:

"If you read the Middle Eastern press, it seems to be a euphemism for some kind of nefarious Zionist conspiracy. But I think that, in my view it's very important to approach [foreign policy] not from a doctrinal point of view. I think almost every case I know is different. Indonesia is different from the Philippines. Iraq is different from Indonesia. I think there are certain principles that I believe are American principles -- both realism and idealism. I guess I'd like to call myself a democratic realist. I don't know if that makes me a neo-conservative or not."
Other "traditional" conservatives (e.g., Jonah Goldberg) have rejected the label as trite and over-used, arguing "There's nothing 'neo' about me: I was never anything other than conservative." Other critics have similarly argued the term has been rendered meaningless through excessive and inconsistant use. For example, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumseld are often identified as leading "neocons" despite the fact that both men have been life-long conservative Republicans. Such critics thus largely reject the claim that there is a neoconservative movement separate from traditional American conservatism.

Other traditional conservatives are likewise skeptical of the contemporary usage term, and may dislike being associated with the stereotypes, or even the supposed agendas of the "neocons." Conservative columnist David Harsanyi wrote, "These days, it seems that even temperate support for military action against dictators and terrorists qualifies you a neocon."

On the other hand, some of those identified as neoconservatives embrace the term. For example, Irving Kristol (who once famously defined a "neoconservative" as "a liberal who got mugged by reality") published a collection of his essays under the tile Neoconservatism: The Autobiography of an Idea (paperback ISBN 1566632285, hardcover ISBN 0028740211). Use of the term enables neoconservatives to distinguish themselves from conservatives when they find it advantageous to do so. In addition, neoconservatives who were once leftists can soften the implication that they have "defected" to the side they once opposed

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Kibbo
Where is this quiz?

Here.

Drumroll .....

I am a
Liberal
Liberals?

* Are wary of American arrogance and hypocrisy
* Trace much of today's anti-American hatred to previous US foreign policies.
* Believe political solutions are inherently superior to military solutions
* Believe the US is morally bound to intervene in humanitarian crises
* Oppose American imperialism
* Support international law, alliances, and agreements
* Encourage US participation in the UN
* Believe US economic policies must help lift up the world's poor

Historical liberal: President Woodrow Wilson
Modern liberal: President Jimmy Carter

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Kibbo
Where is this quiz?

Here.

Took the quiz. It says I am "Fvcking crazy"

 

[Todd33]

LOL.